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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
“”Take your pick of the of the following,””

Your posts is nonsense and twists a few writings to form an opinion.

Here is what your protestant Historian said

J. N. D. Kelly, writes: “Eucharistic teaching, it should be understood at the outset, was in general unquestioningly realist, i.e., the consecrated bread and wine were taken to be, and were treated and designated as, the Savior’s body and blood” (Early Christian Doctrines, 440).

Kelley also says this..
“Ignatius roundly declares that . . . [t]he bread is the flesh of Jesus, the cup his blood. Clearly he intends this realism to be taken strictly, for he makes it the basis of his argument against the Docetists’ denial of the reality of Christ’s body. . . . Irenaeus teaches that the bread and wine are really the Lord’s body and blood. His witness is, indeed, all the more impressive because he produces it quite incidentally while refuting the Gnostic and Docetic rejection of the Lord’s real humanity” (ibid., 197–98).

Here are a few examples of actual writings that cannot be spun by your lying source.

The Word is everything to a child: both Father and Mother, both Instructor and Nurse. ‘Eat My Flesh,’ He says, ‘and drink My Blood.’ The Lord supplies us with these intimate nutrients. He delivers over His Flesh, and pours out His Blood; and nothing is lacking for the growth of His children. O incredible mystery!”,

-Saint Clement”The Instructor of the Children” [1,6,41,3] ante 202 A.D.. ,

“He acknowledged the cup (which is a part of the creation) as his own blood, from which he bedews our blood; and the bread (also a part of creation) he affirmed to be his own body, from which he gives increase to our bodies.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies, V:2,2 (c. A.D. 200).

“You ought to know what you have received, what you are going to receive, and what you ought to receive daily. That Bread which you see on the altar, having been sanctified by the word of God, is the Body of Christ. The chalice, or rather, what is in that chalice, having been sanctified by the word of God, is the Blood of Christ.”

- Augustine “Sermons”, [227, 21]

BTW,Here is what we know about Tation

“Later (c. 172) he apostatized, became a Gnostic of the Encratite sect, and returned to the Orient”

From New Advent
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14464b.htm

Give it up!

2,710 posted on 02/23/2008 6:09:08 AM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: stfassisi

Gosh, that was convincing: “Give it up!” I cry “uncle!”

Wait - no I don’t. RCC dogma is nonsense. Enjoy it. I’ll stick with the Word of God, you stick with the cultural traditions and words of men that have wrapped themselves tightly into the very fabric of the Roman Catholic Church. I pity folk trapped in that religion.


2,763 posted on 02/23/2008 4:13:20 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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