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To: the_conscience
I can say nothing positive in negative theology

Then say what's negative in our theology? You have mentioned on several occassions that the Orthodox have "negative theology," and now is the time for you to explain what you mean. And puns are not a very smart way to answer.

2,517 posted on 02/20/2008 9:41:57 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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***Then say what’s negative in our theology?***

Sure, I’ll restate what I’ve said many times before.

The Christian doctrine of God is that he is infinite, eternal and unchangeable. That naturally begs the question how man could know anything of this God in our finite and contingent condition.

Orthodox Christianity has always taught that man has an actual constitutive knowledge of God by means of revelation. This revelation is available to man’s mind on the basis of his being a creature of the Creator and in the sense that he is created in the image of God man is revelational of God. Since Man is revelational of God his mind is made for the reception of revelation. In the Genesis narrative God walked and talked with Adam. The human reason therefore never functioned properly and could not function properly except in self-conscious relationship to this supernatural revelation. Every fact was what it was by virtue of the place that it would occupy in the plan of God for the whole course of history. The human mind was gifted with logic and that was supposed merely to order the facts of reality, both with respect to God and with respect to the created universe in self-conscious subordination to supernatural positive word-revelation.

Now here’s where it goes negative. Since the Fall man has tried to make sense of the world based only on his own senses independent of God and if any conception of God is allowed it is allowed only in the negative sense, that is, in what God is not and not any positive constitutive statements about God. Aristotle, for instance, allowed for the possibility of God but not a transcendent God that was able relate to the finite world. Thus, for Aristotle, nothing could be said about the nature of God since God is unable to reveal himself to man.

Whenever we see Christian dogma that acquieces to the atheistic/agnostic position that dogma is deformed in several aspects. Usually you’ll find this deformity in making man independent of God through freedom of the will. If man is independent of God then he is no longer relevatory of God. Also, if man is partly independent of God then God becomes dependent upon man or they become dependent upon each other and upon the universe. Since man is partly independent of God his ultimate reference point is no longer exclusively found in God.

Once man no longer becomes relevatory of God because of his independence he is locked into the universe of his senses (empiricism). Once man is locked into the universe of his senses he longer has any contact with the transcendent God.

Thus any professing Christian who takes the atheist/agnostic position is both an irrationalist in the sense that he believes he has no positive knowledge of the nature of God and at the same time a rationalist who believes he can reduce reality to a network of logical relations. In essence then the Universe or Reality becomes the ultimate reference point with God and Man merely actors within that Universe.

The only way out of the inconsistency of the atheist/agnostic position is to make God the ultimate reference point to which man is entirely dependent and the acceptance of Scripture as the infallible revelation of God is the only way for reason to escape irrationalism.


2,605 posted on 02/21/2008 9:17:08 PM PST by the_conscience ('The human mind is a perpetual forge of idols'.)
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