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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; Kolokotronis; wmfights; Dr. Eckleburg; irishtenor
***No, because faith is not subject to proof or disproof.***

That’s baloney. Faith isn’t a Kierkegardian “leap of faith”. Faith is the hope in promises through the evidence of unseen things. God promised a Messiah and it was fulfilled. Evidence. You may not believe the evidence but that does not make it unprovable or incoherent.

In the end the Catholic faiths deny revelation, especially the Greeks with their faith in their pagan philosophers negative theology, and with this denial of revelation down goes the doctrine of God and especially the person and work of the Holy Spirit. With the Holy Spirit reduced to merely the power of God, rejecting his personhood, and with the rejection of revelation, then all revelatory religions are gnostic. Not having any transcendence to back their religious system they install a system of precedence that tries to mimic transcendence. When over time this system of precedence naturally fails the current man/god in power is said to possess the revelatory power to override past precedence. We see this with Mormons, Romanists, and Greeks.

One other interesting note to go along with the above and that is that heresy always tags along with those religions that believe revelation is still continuing on today.

2,406 posted on 02/20/2008 10:12:05 AM PST by the_conscience ('The human mind is a perpetual forge of idols'.)
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To: the_conscience; kosta50; Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; stfassisi; wmfights; irishtenor

“In the end the Catholic faiths deny revelation, especially the Greeks with their faith in their pagan philosophers negative theology, and with this denial of revelation down goes the doctrine of God and especially the person and work of the Holy Spirit.”

Lucky thing the HS woke up after that 1500 year nap and inspired Calvin, eh? Left to the Orthodox, doubtless Christianity all over would have ended up resembling the smoking church ruins Bush’s foreign policy has created throughout the East. Looked at another way, maybe Bush’s destruction of Orthodox and Eastern Christian communities is the fulfillment of Calvinism’s purpose in the world. What do you think, tc?


2,410 posted on 02/20/2008 11:17:46 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: the_conscience; wmfights; Forest Keeper; HarleyD; blue-duncan; Marysecretary; ...
Faith isn't a Kierkegardian "leap of faith." Faith is the hope in promises through the evidence of unseen things. God promised a Messiah and it was fulfilled. Evidence. You may not believe the evidence but that does not make it unprovable or incoherent.

AMEN! And God graciously raised Christ from the dead to prove it all true. Evidence.

In the end the Catholic faiths deny revelation, especially the Greeks with their faith in their pagan philosophers negative theology, and with this denial of revelation down goes the doctrine of God and especially the person and work of the Holy Spirit. With the Holy Spirit reduced to merely the power of God, rejecting his personhood, and with the rejection of revelation, then all revelatory religions are gnostic. Not having any transcendence to back their religious system they install a system of precedence that tries to mimic transcendence. When over time this system of precedence naturally fails the current man/god in power is said to possess the revelatory power to override past precedence. We see this with Mormons, Romanists, and Greeks.

AMEN!!!

In great part the Reformation was a restatement of the work and purpose of the Holy Spirit which the church in Rome had tried to all but obliterate.

"The Holy Spirit may be justly called the key with which the treasures of the kingdom are unlocked to us; and his illumination constitutes our mental eyes." -- John Calvin, INST. III:i.4.

2,411 posted on 02/20/2008 11:31:19 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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