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To: kosta50
[ Germany did not have a literary German language when Luther was translating the Bible from Greek and literally creating new German compound words that didn't exist beforehand, and with that the German literary language. ]

Same with the greek.. The greek language did not have a corresponding word for the hebrew "holy" or the hebrew messiah(i.e. Jesus the Christ).. They had to morph a word which meant a good fellow(man) into Christ.. as well as other words and concepts.. Paul was good at this since he spoke several languages and was schooled in logic by the Rabbis.. He was more "wordly" than the other Apostles..

[ Sure, the Italians spoke Italian, but what did they write in it? ]

Kosta really, surely you know few could even write.. anywhere even in Isreal.. Especially during the dark ages.. In Europe some could barely write.. to transact business but little more.. When colleges for average people were started (by christians) in the United States it shook the world,.. And many others started doing it... slowly of course..

2,161 posted on 02/16/2008 11:15:59 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe
Kosta really, surely you know few could even write

I just see the whole thing more in terms of English today than someone specifically "locking up" the Bible. Just as someone can't get around knowing English if he or she wants to pursue a career in science, technology, computers, medicine, aviation, etc. the same was true of Latin. It was the international language of academia, law and sciences in the west.

Those who used Latin could read Latin bibles if they wanted to (chances are they were available at universities).

I am only pointing to the factors that created the "lockup" as something that evolved, as not as a conspiracy, but a trend that happened before and has happened since in different time with different languages, and is happening right now.

When colleges for average people were started (by christians) in the United States it shook the world,.. And many others started doing it... slowly of course

Because the US grew increasingly more influential in the world.

By this logic, we should have a 100% college minimum compulsory education for everyone, incluidng the homeless, or just to flip hamburgers in the near-by fast food joint.

By the next century at least a masters will be required and by the century after that a PhD. What's the point? It's just artificially created education-inflation for profit.

I have years of education and I don't use but a tiny fraction of it in my profession. Most of it just looks good on my walls.

This system of (over)education doesn't necessarily produce smarter people. It doesn't necessarily produce better people just because they can read the Bible (assuming they read it correctly, which is unlikely). There is so much to know, no one individual can digest it all, so ignorance rules more than ever.

Besides, it makes no difference if those who couldn't read the Bible can read it now. The Reformed believe that they have either been saved or damned before they were even born and nothing in this world can change that.

2,165 posted on 02/17/2008 5:24:21 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: hosepipe; kosta50

***Kosta really, surely you know few could even write.. anywhere even in Isreal.. Especially during the dark ages.. In Europe some could barely write.. to transact business but little more..***

Then translating the Bible into the vernacular before widespread literacy would have done what?


2,284 posted on 02/19/2008 9:24:12 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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