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To: blue-duncan; stfassisi; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg; irishtenor; wmfights; Quix
We’ll try once more...Created beings can’t create ex nihilo, so whence comes sin?

BD, I will try once more, too. The taching that God is a source of sin is satanic to an Orthodox/Catholic. There is no other way to put it. This is not personal. We are apalled that some Christians actually believe that sin is a creature of God. Last time I checked, the bible says God hates sin.

God gave man wide freedom but he also placed one tree from which man was not to eat, as a reminder that man's freedom is not like God's, but limited. And, in fact when man abuses his freedom, which is what happened with Adam, man loses his freedom. The same is true to this day.

God would have known Adam's choice, but God dind't make that choice for Adam. Adam's sin came from Adam's choice, not from God's. In doing so, Adam separated himself from God and cut off God's life-sustaining grace.

If God is the source of sin then sin is not sin. Sin is evil, and we believe nothing from (the Christian) God is evil.

1,973 posted on 02/12/2008 6:47:48 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; stfassisi; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg; irishtenor; wmfights; Quix

“The teaching that God is a source of sin is satanic to an Orthodox/Catholic. There is no other way to put it.”

That is not personal. It is a statement of belief.

“Stfassisi, you are right. Every time I see Calvin and the gang, I see the devil peering from behind them.”

That is personal.

“God gave man wide freedom”

Before man sinned God had devised the punishment for sin Gen. 2:17, “But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” The fact of sin had already been created and provided for. So where did the concept originate? Certainly not in man for he had no categories to devise it as yet. His freedom was not absolute for he was created and susceptible to his created passions and ambitions.


1,975 posted on 02/12/2008 7:15:32 PM PST by blue-duncan
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