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To: Alamo-Girl; Forest Keeper; irishtenor; the_conscience; wmfights; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix
God proves Himself in His own way, e.g. in fulfilling prophesy. He does not comply with man's demands for proof

I have told you long ago that your endless verses prove nothing. You cannot prove scripture with scripture just as you cannot prove thet you have indwelling spirit or for that matter that what you know is God.

If I recall, the OT and the Gospels are full of miracles intended to prove that God is God with visible signs. God idd not expect anyone to believe withough eyewitness. And Mark tells us that God in Person reveals that the way we will know who is a true believer will be through visible signs—"they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well." [Mark 16:18]

Sure sounds like visible signs of proof to me. You have any of these? Just remember, if you make extraordinary claims, then provide estraiordinary evidence to back them up.

1,897 posted on 02/11/2008 3:22:57 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; irishtenor; the_conscience; wmfights; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix
I have told you long ago that your endless verses prove nothing.

To the contrary:

For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it. - Isaiah 55:10-11

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: - John 10:27

And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. – John 6:65

Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: - Luke 24:25

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. - Matt 5:18

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. - John 6:63

Those of us with "ears to hear" immediately recognize the miracle of being able to hear Him. The ones below were physically hearing Christ but they could not Spiritually hear Him:

Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. – John 8:43

Evidently though you have rejected those signs and demand others. The Jews wanted other signs too, and the Greeks wanted wisdom. But we have experienced the power of God.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Where [is] the wise? where [is] the scribe? where [is] the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. - I Cor 1:18-25

Christians don't just believe in miracles, we rely on them.

To God be the glory!

1,915 posted on 02/11/2008 11:09:00 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; irishtenor; the_conscience; wmfights; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix
I have told you long ago that your endless verses prove nothing.

But don't you rely on just such "endless verses" to prove the authority of the Church?

If I recall, the OT and the Gospels are full of miracles intended to prove that God is God with visible signs. God did not expect anyone to believe without eyewitness.

What? This is what the Gospels say:

John 20:29 : Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

I think God's expectations are very clear. He used miracles to show some, but to others He gave true faith without a use of the visuals. It doesn't make anyone a better person, it just means that He will bring all of His children to faith in the way He so desires.

2,047 posted on 02/14/2008 5:14:38 AM PST by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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