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To: Uncle Chip; Kolokotronis
I realize that it was not a Vatican operation, but when it takes place in their own backyard and when the people involved are making regular trips back and forth from

My gut feeling is that the Vatican knew something but was either unwilling or unable to do anything about it. Why is the Vatican the villain for ignoring it duirng the war, and the US is not for doing nothing about it after the war, as was the case with Franco's shelteirng of Ante Pavelich?

Needless to say the Serbian Holocaust remains a sad chapter in the history of WWII, a chapter quickly swept under the rug, not finding its way into any history books that I ever read

Yes, that is amazing and puzzling. Which is what makes Kolokotronis and other Orthodox posters here wonder why is it the Protestant West determined to bury or destroy Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

Look up the massacre in Kragujevac (Kraguyevats), where Germans in 1941 executed between 2,300 (according to one German officer's report) and 5,000 Serbian civilians, including all the students and teachers of the city's high school on October 20, 1941. This horrific and unprecedented massacre in any particular city in WWII remains virtually unrecorded and unknown in the west.

Our failure to support the Serbs against the Muslim terrorist KLA, to support Israel against the Palestinian Muslims, to call a Muslim terrorist a Muslim terrorist, to allow Muslim oil money to buy our foreign and domestic policies is going to cost us dearly -- unfortunately

I agree, but if you say the evangelicals were truly opposed to all this, where is the evidence of pressure exerted on either the Clinton or Bush Administration to change? After all, there are some 40 million Evangelicals in this country and they have a voice every administration can not simply ignore.

You see, this is a pattern that goes much further back than the current issues, even when the Muslims were not as prominent a factor in the world and our security.

For, the actions speak louder than the words when it comes to ignoring Ante Pavelich enjoying his retirement in Franco's Spain, or ignoring the continuous illegal Turkish occupation of eastern Cyprus, or siding with jihadists in Bosnia's unconstitutional independence and the resulting civil war, or supporting the KLA which was at one time officially called a terrorist organization by the US.

And, for your information, this Administration is ready to support and recognize Kosovo's independence, now slated for proclamation in seven days.

This anti-Orthodox western bias, actually distaste to recognize the Orthodox as Christians or to show any compasison for them, is almost historic. No amount of sacrifice the Orthodox endure is good enough to be placed in western school books. And with any Greco-Turkish conflict, the US always sided with the Turks.

I am grateful to many a western and probably many a Protestant individual, who recognizes that Serbs and Greeks are Christians, and for their support. But they are lone voices in the wilderness.

1,859 posted on 02/10/2008 9:40:17 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; wmfights
Needless to say the Serbian Holocaust remains a sad chapter in the history of WWII, a chapter quickly swept under the rug, not finding its way into any history books that I ever read

Yes, that is amazing and puzzling. Which is what makes Kolokotronis and other Orthodox posters here wonder why is it the Protestant West determined to bury or destroy Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

No one is doing that but yourselves. Why didn't the EO go after Ante Pavelich living in luxury in Spain themselves as the Jews went after other NAZI war criminals. They didn't whine about it -- they took action.

And when the Serbian army was pursuing the KLA terrorists in Kosovo, where was the vocal support from the EO Church, or your EO brethren in Greece and elsewhere in the Balkans and Eastern Europe??? Why not blame them for not supporting the Serbs??? Where were they??? And here in America I heard not a whimper from any EO church and when I asked people who were EOs, they all looked at me as if to say that's their problem.

Your EOs want to be left alone -- but then when in trouble they want someone else to rescue them. Which is it???

According to your own EO religion the Serb military action against the KLA was a grave sin. They had to go to war to kill Muslims to protect the very EO ecclesiastics who criticized them for doing so. Your religious theology is your problem -- not someone else's.

And before you refer to the West as the "Protestant West", I suggest that you do some actual study on the actual religious makeup of the West. The majority of the Protestants in the West are of liberal denominations and have the same view of scripture that you EO and the RC do.

If you really want to know who to blame for the Ratlines that enabled those responsible for the Serbian Holocaust to escape to the West, go read John Loftus' book and you will find that, among the culprits, the Vatican and the Knights of Malta were right in the middle of it all. So put the blame where it belongs --

1,867 posted on 02/11/2008 4:23:53 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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