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To: Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; Uncle Chip; wmfights; blue-duncan; Quix; 1000 silverlings; irishtenor
ROTFLOL!

You can get off the floor, now.

I just realized you have done to capitalism what you have been doing to the Bible -- demean it, marginalize it, and ultimately, deny its validity and worth.

Really? I "demeaned" it because I said our economic system is undermining the security of the American people by hiring illegal aliens? Incredible! I "marginalized" it it—how? I "ultimately denied it validity and worth" because it is obvious that breaking the law and hiring illegals is not a role model of something that's good for America?

I don't demean the bible, I certainly don't marginalize it, and I do question it. And, that's wrong? I guess it offends those who believe in "official truth" and illegal immigration as a necessary evil that somehow 'good' for the country! And I distort things? LOL!

You are on the wrong website, Kosta...

That's your reply to my comment about capitalism using child labor, namely "a system based on greed is unlikely to police itself (based on previous experience), or intrinsically follow ethical principles or national interests, it has to be curbed?" Incredible!  next thing someone will tell me will be that somehow slavery wasn't such a bad institution...after all, Protestants used their interpretation of it form the bible to justify it. Talk about turning everything upside down!

The ruthless capitalism of Industrial Revolution did not stop hiring children on its own but had to be forced to stop the practice. That means the system did not intrinsically police itself  or follow ethical principles, never mind any compassion.

Capitalism is not "based on greed."

Well, tell that to Big Oil. What exactly is "profit motive?"

Capitalism is not "unlikely to follow ethical principles."

I guess that's why we have all those ("nazi" and "commie") laws on the books about child labor, trusts, and so on. If capitalism was likely to follow ethical principles, no such always would have been necessary.

Capitalism is not "unlikely to follow national interests."

I am not sure about all capitalism, but American capitalism for a long time did have a protectionist and national interest in scope. All that went out the window when capitalism became "global."

And capitalism does not "have to be curbed."

Its past is a vivid proof that it does. Of course, you can always put your head in the sand and pretend the sun doesn't shine.

That is a prescription for fascism

You don't even know what fascism is.  It's not business, for sure. American laws curbing business practices are not 'fascist' laws.

What do you think the Germans were told when their private property and civil rights were taken? They were told to stop being "selfish" and give for the good of the fatherland, the state

You are mixing Bolshevism with Fascism. I suspected that much. No one was required to give up private property in Nazi Germany (at least not the Germans). Huge corporations like , Mecedez-Brenz, Krupp, etc. existed as private ownership. It was the Bolshevik system in Soviet Russia that confiscated private properties and and made everything state owned.

And last time I checked the only people in America who taking my rights away are some ultraconservatives and illegal aliens, both of whom are tolerated and encouraged by the current Administration.

The "root cause" of illegal aliens is the elected government in a free country being overwhelmed by masses of people wishing to better their own lives...

So, I take it you are in favor of such abomination? There were always masses of people wishing to better their own lives and seeking freedom and opportunity in America. Always! They all had to get in line, fill out their paperwork and wait.

Those who overstayed their welcome were deported. Businesses were fined severely for hiring illegals and the laws were passed specifically for that purpose because in the past people were trying to better their lives and took many routes to accomplish that. That didn't change.

What changed is that not only is our Republican Administration willing to look the other way at a potential threat to our nation with tends of thousands of potential enemy combatants entering the country, but our businesses are willing to hire illegals for pure profit, and couldn't care less that they are breaking the law (which no one is enforcing) or that this is creating a stampede that is carrying people with potentially deadly diseases as well as potential terrorists.

Capitalism was responsible for transforming these United States into the one and only super power on the planet

That's ridiculous. It was what we did with capitalism and how we used the opportunities that popped up in front of us. It was our foreign policy that made us great. We won a lot of little and big wars. War was good for America. What made us a superpower was also the fact that previous superpowers imploded as eventually will happen with us.  Sooner or later, every empire runs out of steam.

Capitalism didn't make the Soviet Union a super-power. It certainly wasn't England's claim to fame. And Rome was not exactly "capitalist' or excessively democratic.

as well as lifting third world countries out of the deathgrip of poverty and the true greed of despots (Greece included,) and it will continue to do so for as long as men know the difference between socialism and capitalism, and choose the latter, by the grace of God.

It is a lie that we only promoted freedom and democracy. You obviously never heard of Papa Doc in Haiti, or various little or big dictators that we propped up as our puppets all over Central and South America and the Carribean, and indeed around the world. American Indians certainly don't share that opinion.

Your statement sounds like some propaganda poster, the world through rosy glasses of idealism. You haven't been around much, have you?

The principles of our capitalistic economic system are reliable and productive. The principles are reliable and productive, but the practice isn't!  if everyone behaved according to the established principles of the society we wouldn't need corrective laws.

The government needs to handle the problem because the government's job is public safety, not regulating the markets or instituting socialism in place of capitalism

I was talking about public SAFETY! In fact that's all I was talking about—public threat of illegal immigration! The health danger and the terrorist danger, the Trojan Horse. Our businesses that break the law to hire illegal aliens are creating demand for jobs that bring more and more  illegals into the country because it is profitable to hire illegals over Americans citizens.

And the government is doing nothing to stop the businesses from hiring illegal aliens although such books actually exist and call for stiff penalties, stiff enough to make businesses reconsider their unethical conduct. Once the businesses stop hiring, the illegals will leave. The biggest problem presently with illegals is that we don't know who is entering our country, while we are trying to keep our enemies at bay overseas. It's all about the security.

But this was an absolute jewel:

The $1.25 fruit bowl you had for breakfast would cost you $5 without the low-waged manual labor to pick that fruit.

So, we are willing to sell our safety for $3.75 so we can have a fruit bowl for $1.25 ??? (who has fruit bowls for breakfast?!?) No, thanks, I will pass.

1,805 posted on 02/09/2008 6:40:12 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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