As The Church defines sin? Yes, absolutely. Bad things happen in a fallen world.
“That was the saviour side of Him who came to offer grace and mercy.”
What sort of comic book theology is this? The “saviour side”? This is so absurd you couldn’t have made it up. Its vaguely Mohammedan, but I suspect you picked this up from some preacher along the way. Do tell us who. :)
“For atleast 100 years American Protestants who believe in the Scriptures have been at war with so-called American Protestants who don’t believe in the Scriptures. Should the former surrender to the latter???? Is that what you would like to see????”
I could not care less what Protestants do if they will just stop letting their modernist “theology” so influence American foreign policy that it feels morally justified in partnering in the destruction of Eastern Christian communities and cultures. Why don’t you limit your attacks to the “so called American Protestants” and leave us Eastern Christians alone.
“So then was it sin to go to war against these Germans in WWII, or should we have looked the other way like you would have us do.”
Again, YES! Should we have looked the other way. No, should we have as Christians gone to war? No, even if that meant dying. But we are human, fallen humans and until and unless we attain a state of perfect theosis, we will go to war and that’s sinful. But you don’t understand sin or for that matter even its consequences or why sin is of concern to Christians so you come up with a just war theory. Without it, your elect are sinners, aren’t they and that would never do.
“Yes the liberals have abandoned the scriptures and in doing so have embraced sin.”
You mean the scriptures The Church, that bunch of old Greek speaking bishops, put together for you? Those scriptures? What would I, a Christian who worships God the same way they did and believes the same things they did know about that. I mean, clearly the HS simply went to sleep after the canon was closed and didn't stir again until the protestant Revolution when he told a bunch of Germans and a Frenchman that what The Church had believed the previous 1500 years was a devilish trick...right? Sort of sounds like the Episcopalians' justification for blessing sodomite unions, but what would I know.
“Well maybe if you learned to fight for a just cause instead of just yourselves and alongside those who know a just cause from an unjust one, including those Jews fighting for their own homeland in Israel, things might go better for your EO churches and communities.”
You can ask this of a Greek? How many Jews did your people hide in your village, UC? Can you name the partisans in your family who fought as irregulars against the Nazis? Can you recite the names of your cousins who were executed in reprisals by the Nazis? Do you know the names of your relatives killed by the godless communists? Silly, spoiled Amerikanaki!
“In the meantime you have the audacity to demean the lives of all those in western Protestantism, including the lives of Jews, Catholics, et al who laid down their lives to free others from tyranny.”
Never, ever will you see this in an Orthodox country but we won’t pretend that the war that liberated us was somehow less sinful because the enemy was evil and the war was forced on us. Sin is sin, UC. It is always wrong. Saying otherwise makes one no better than the promoters of sodomite unions or jihad!
***Bad things happen in a fallen world.***
Part of our Judgement is how we deal with the fallen world. The Reformed do not appear to have such a burden.
***What sort of comic book theology is this?***
I’m sure that we have several dozen versions of it Sunday mornings on the TV.
***I could not care less what Protestants do if they will just stop letting their modernist “theology” so influence American foreign policy that it feels morally justified in partnering in the destruction of Eastern Christian communities and cultures. Why don’t you limit your attacks to the “so called American Protestants” and leave us Eastern Christians alone.***
It is unconscious. They simply don’t know. Part of the miracle of the Reformation was the ability to ignore most of Christianity.
***Should we have looked the other way. No, should we have as Christians gone to war? No, even if that meant dying. But we are human, fallen humans and until and unless we attain a state of perfect theosis, we will go to war and that’s sinful. But you don’t understand sin or for that matter even its consequences or why sin is of concern to Christians so you come up with a just war theory. Without it, your elect are sinners, aren’t they and that would never do.***
Something that I am (Augustinian influenced) guilty of as well. Something about the Crusaders with broadswords just kinda gets to me.
***You mean the scriptures The Church, that bunch of old Greek speaking bishops, put together for you? Those scriptures? What would I, a Christian who worships God the same way they did and believes the same things they did know about that.***
Christianity started, to most of these folks, from 50 to 100 years ago.
***How many Jews did your people hide in your village, UC? Can you name the partisans in your family who fought as irregulars against the Nazis? Can you recite the names of your cousins who were executed in reprisals by the Nazis? Do you know the names of your relatives killed by the godless communists? Silly, spoiled Amerikanaki!***
You are merely posing an academic question to folks who aren’t academic.
***Sin is sin, UC. It is always wrong. Saying otherwise makes one no better than the promoters of sodomite unions or jihad!***
Sin is not wrong if you are of the elect, doncha know? It is merely a step along the way to one’s salvation and if it affects that majority bound for hell, it is of no consequence.