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By the way, UC, one of my ancestors died on the walls of Constantinople at the side of Constantine XI in battle with the Eastern Barbarian Turks on May 29, 1453. He died for civilization and Christianity, UC. Generations of Eastern Christians have fought and died for that at the hands of the Mohammedans.

Like I said he must have been from the Augustinian [just war] wing of the EO not the compromised wing that collaborated with the Communists in Eastern Europe after WWII until a Protestant brought the Iron Curtain down in 1989. You are welcome ---

What about you Protestants? How many centuries have you been suffering for Christianity and Christian civilization at the hands of Islam? You think that Western Protestantism has the right to scorn the sacrifice of the Eastern Romans? My God, no wonder we're in the state we're in!

And just what has the EO done lately???? Does it support the Jewish people in their battle against Islam in Israel today or are those EO Patriarchs there siding continuously with the Muslims???? Wake up and smell the compromise and get off your high horse.

UC, the Greek partisan resistance on Crete delayed Operation Barbarossa.... Do you know what allies they were to the United States?

But that was Greek and Serbian not resistance from within the EO Church itself. These must have been secularists or fallen away EOs or from the Augustinian branch of the EO because they knew right from wrong and were willing to fight for it.

Or are you just a Mohammedan supporting neo con with no understanding of history or culture beyond the Eastern seabord who thinks its just peachy that America picks up the tab for KLA terrorism against our Christian allies because that man Bush has been advised by his Saudi business partners that Islam is the Religion of Peace and its good for business?

Are you signed up for the support of Israeli lobby here on Freerepublic or are you just another one of those EO hypocrites who opposes Islamic aggression except when it comes to taking over the land of Israel from the Jews.

"Like I said he must have been from the Augustinian [just war] wing of the EO not the compromised wing that collaborated with the Communists in Eastern Europe after WWII until a Protestant brought the Iron Curtain down in 1989. You are welcome ---"

UC what is it about some American Protestants that they simply cannot accept that other societies and Eastern Christianity in particular do not ascribe to their bizarre modern notions of theology or their Western Mohammedan or Manichean influenced notion of "just war". Why is it that Protestants simply cannot accept the reality of evil, especially in their own lives and in this society? War, UC, is always, always, always sinful. It may be unavoidable, but it is always sinful. Perhaps its that notion which Protestantism cannot accept or understand, sinfulness. Sin is not what you Protestants proclaim it to be, something the "unsaved" do which brings down upon them the wrath and hatred of God. That isn't even remotely what the scriptural word for sin, "αμαρτια" means. It means to miss the mark, the mark being Christ. Going to war is always missing the mark; it is never, ever, being like Christ.

War happens and we, or at least many of us, have gone off to war and fought in one capacity or another and in so doing we have sinned. It is simply a self serving lie to say that war is ever good or OK or to proclaim "Gott Mit Uns". Can you conceive of a situation when going to war is an emulation of Christ? Remember the taunts the Lord endured at the Cross? Did He call down those legions of angels to destroy His tormentors? Our created purpose may be to become like God, but very, very, very few of us get there in this life and thus have to depend on God's infinite mercy. But that doesn't justify sin.

You know, UC, Protestant notions of sin have, especially of late, given us some rather depraved theological constructs. Germans of the WWII generation were able to look the other way when it came to the Jews because, after all, they were the enemies of the state and the state was justified, hardly sinful, in removing those Jews. This was preached from virtually every, but not all, Protestant pulpits throughout Germany during and before the War. And today, well today the "mainline" Protestant churches are telling us that the Holy Spirit is doing a new thing and that what was formerly sin by every Christians' definition is no longer sin but rather a sacred example of God's love for His people worthy of blessing within the ecclesial community. Is this the corollary of the just war theory, the blessed sodomite union? This doesn't come from Orthodoxy, UC, it comes from Protestantism's essentially selfish, self centered religious individualism. Its the same mindset, infecting Washington elites and so many of the denizens of FR, which justifies the destruction of Eastern Christian communities in partnership with Mohammedanism.

Finally, "But that was Greek and Serbian not resistance from within the EO Church itself." UC, you know, I thought your historical ignorance was simply contemptible. But its beyond that. It is aggressive but it is consonant with the dominant, aggressive ignorance of our politicians since Reagan. UC, thousands upon thousands of Orthodox priests were executed during WWII and in the aftermath of the War behind the Iron Curtain. Do you know who +Chrysostomos of Zakynthos was? Do you know who +Damaskinos of Athens was? Good Jews do! But you, an American Protestant, have absolutely no idea who they were or even the faintest notion of what the Orthodox did in WWII and afterwards, let alone what Orthodoxy has been doing for the 550 years since the fall of The City. It is beyond unacceptable arrogance for the likes of an American Protestant in 2008 to question the sacrifices of Orthodox people. If your attitudes reflect general American attitudes, no wonder so much, indeed most, of the world scorns us.