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To: kosta50; wmfights
The EO does not accept +Augustine's "just war" theory, never have and never will, even though ti is actually quite reasonable (only as a last resort, never preemptive, and only in defense). The RCCs stick to +Augustine's definition. The Orthodox Church never endorsed any war

Well that explains why the Byzantine Empire fell to the Moslems, and why Hitler found the Balkans such easy pickings, and why those who do believe in a just war had to rescue the people in the land of the EO during WWII.

1,636 posted on 02/08/2008 12:05:07 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip; wmfights; blue-duncan
Well that explains why the Byzantine Empire fell to the Moslems, and why Hitler found the Balkans such easy pickings, and why those who do believe in a just war had to rescue the people in the land of the EO during WWII

Exactly!

Now men can be manipulated and led in the wrong direction. But to deny there is such a thing as a just war is actually to deny that evil exists. We've seen already how the EO questions even the existence of Satan, so we shouldn't be surprised they question the notion of a just war.

Christ does not tell us to do nothing in the face of evil. He tells us to resist it and to defend the Gospel and to rest assured the Holy Spirit will provide what we need...

"And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:

For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say." -- Luke 12:11-12


1,645 posted on 02/08/2008 1:03:32 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Uncle Chip; wmfights
Well that explains why the Byzantine Empire fell to the Moslems, and why Hitler found the Balkans such easy pickings

Your ingorance is most regrettable. France fell in half the time that it took the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, with no one to help, attacked by Germans, Moussolin's fascists, Hungairan nazi collaborators, Bulgarian nazi collaborators, and Albanian nazi collaborators, to be occupied. Our great firends of the last 2 decades, Croatians (who were Yugoslav citizens) welcomed the Wehrmach troups with flowers and cried "Danke Deutschland!" (Thank you Germany!).

The Yugoslav Royal Army reatreated into the woords and began guarrilla-style resistence immediately and three months after the occupation began transmitting first radio messages form the liberated territories of the occupied homeland. The only beacon of free territory in Europe!

The resistence movemnt of WWII Yugoslavia is a textbook example of resiliency. It tied numerous German divisions and was instrumental in causing Hitler to fatefully delay his invasion of the Soviet Union. Unlike the French, Dutch , Norwegian and other resistence movements, who limited thier operations to sabotage, the Germans mounted no less then seven major offensives aimed at erradicting the resistence. Easy pickings, right.

The Orthodox do not find pleasure or ustice in sin, and war is sin, the result of sin and perpetuated by sin. The west keeps trying the pagan and OT method of eye-for-an-eye, even though the God they call their own tells them otherwise. You don't erradicate evil by returning evil.

When cornered, the EO will resist because there is nothing else left to do. That doesn't mean they have to arrogate themselves the crown of justice. It's a necessary evil brought on by evil.

I really feel for you.

1,667 posted on 02/08/2008 5:26:23 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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