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To: kosta50; fortheDeclaration; Dr. Eckleburg
Origen is not a Church "Father." That is another Protestant lie... Origen left the Church when he embraced Gnostic heresy and taught the pre-existence of the souls ... Yup, in his second half, Origne sure turned weird.

But you do realize that Origen had a direct hand in the production of that Alexandrian Test type that the Greek Orthodox now embrace, as well as the "LXX" Septuagint that derives from Origen's Hexapla.

Here is more from Wikipedia:

"In Origen the Christian Church had its first theologian in the highest sense of the term. Attaining the pinnacle of human speculation, his teaching was not merely theoretical, but was also imbued with an intense ethical power. To the multitude to whom his instruction was beyond grasp, he left mediating images and symbols, as well as the final goal of attainment. In Origen Christianity blended with the pagan philosophy in which lived the desire for truth and the longing after God. When he died, however, he left no pupil who could succeed him, nor was the church of his period able to become his heir, and thus, his knowledge was buried. Three centuries later his very name was stricken from the books of the Church; yet in the monasteries of the Greeks his influence still lived on, and the spiritual father of Greek monasticism was that same Origen at whose name the monks had shuddered.

"Origen's influence on the later Church: For quite some time, Origen was counted as one of the most important church fathers and his works were widely used in the Church. His exegetical method was standard of the School of Alexandria and the Origenists were an important party in the 4th century debates on Arianism. "Basil the Great and Gregory Nazianzen, e.g., compiled in their first monastery the Philokalia, a collection of Origen's work, though both of them did neither adopt Origenism nor use the Alexandrian allegoric exegesis.

"Much later, Origen got into theological trouble with the Church because of some extreme views adopted by his followers, the Origenists, whose views were attributed to Origen. In the course of this controversy, some of his other teachings came up, which were not accepted by the general church consensus. Among these were the preexistence of souls, universal salvation and a hierarchical concept of the Trinity. These teachings, and some of his followers' more extreme views, were declared anathema by a local council in Constantinople 545, and then an ecumenical council (Fifth Ecumenical Council) pronounced "15 anathemas"[11] against Origen in 553. "The anathema against him in his person, declaring him (among others) a heretic, reads as follows:

"If anyone does not anathematize Arius, Eunomius, Macedonius, Apollinaris, Nestorius, Eutyches and Origen, as well as their impious writings, as also all other heretics already condemned and anathematized by the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, and by the aforesaid four Holy Synods and [if anyone does not equally anathematize] all those who have held and hold or who in their impiety persist in holding to the end the same opinion as those heretics just mentioned: let him be anathema.[12]

"As a result of this condemnation, the writings of Origen supporting his teachings in these areas were destroyed. They were either outright destroyed, or they were translated with the appropriate adjustments to eliminate conflict with Orthodox Christianity (the "Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church" referred to in the council of 553, which at the time included both of what are now called the Catholic and Orthodox Churches)."

Well they didn't destroy all of those things that issued forth from his hand, and mind, and writings, and textual alterations, and disciples, did they??? And now you are telling us that the Greek Orthodox Church has made that Alexandrian Bible, derived from Origen's textual alterations, the official bible of the Greek Orthodox Church. Is that what has happened???

1,605 posted on 02/08/2008 4:56:18 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip

THE ANTE-NICENE FATHERS

Origen

http://www.goarch.org/en/ourfaith/articles/article8074.asp


1,606 posted on 02/08/2008 5:09:02 AM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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