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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr
You read what I wrote correctly: we believe.

I don't doubt that you believe you do believe.

I question what you believe in though. Your Saviour doesn't seem to be the same Saviour that finished it all at Calvary. Your Saviour only got part of the job done. You have to commit to a lifetime of works in the hope that when you die you've done enough and been good enough to be saved.

My Saviour paid it all. I only have to believe and my Saviour will send the Holy Spirit to indwell me and guide me. My works are done from a desire to serve my Saviour. I don't expect them to buy anything.

John 6:47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

1,382 posted on 02/05/2008 7:48:44 PM PST by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: wmfights; MarkBsnr
I question what you believe in though. Your Saviour doesn't seem to be the same Saviour that finished it all at Calvary. Your Saviour only got part of the job done.

Well, he is quoted as saying to His disciples to go into the world, teach and baptize...so His work is ongoing through the Church.

But where we differ is in atonement. Yours is the 11th century St. Anselm's innovation; Orthodoxy teaches the same atonement today as it did in the first century primitive Church and in the Undivided Church for 11 centuries: Christ paid for our sins, past, present and future only so that we can be free to come to Him, and be saved through a life of following in His footsteps. We have yet to be judged for our deeds.

1,395 posted on 02/05/2008 10:03:50 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: wmfights

***I question what you believe in though. Your Saviour doesn’t seem to be the same Saviour that finished it all at Calvary. Your Saviour only got part of the job done. You have to commit to a lifetime of works in the hope that when you die you’ve done enough and been good enough to be saved.***

We have the faith of our fathers, going right back to the Apostles at Pentecost. We don’t get to make the rules. If we are commanded to do, then we must do. We do not have the option. We are to be Judged. If we have done nothing to be Judged by, then we are instructed that we will be thrown into everlasting hell.


1,429 posted on 02/06/2008 7:25:04 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: wmfights

***I question what you believe in though. Your Saviour doesn’t seem to be the same Saviour that finished it all at Calvary. Your Saviour only got part of the job done. You have to commit to a lifetime of works in the hope that when you die you’ve done enough and been good enough to be saved.

My Saviour paid it all. I only have to believe and my Saviour will send the Holy Spirit to indwell me and guide me. My works are done from a desire to serve my Saviour. I don’t expect them to buy anything.***

Well, to begin with, I will state once again that the Protestant possessive appears backwards to me. I belong to God, and am His creature made in His image, not vice versa.

I’m intrigued at the above statement though. A vast majority of the Gospel is instruction on how we should be acting, and what we should be doing. Do the Reformed think of this as an aftereffect or secondary message?


1,482 posted on 02/07/2008 6:15:27 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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