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To: MarkBsnr; kosta50
We have a lot of evidence for that belief, but there is not the overwhelming proof. That is what makes the heresy of Gnosticism so appealing.

Then leave that Assembly that claims to be the keeper of all the secret mysteries and come join us Born Again Christians in the joy of being saved by Grace Alone through Faith Alone in Christ Alone.

The overwhelming evidence is there.

We know from non Christian sources that Jesus was Crucified. We have guards at the tomb who are not Christians and who could be severely punished for failing in their duty yet the tomb is empty. We have hundreds of witnesses. We have disciples who were transformed into roaring lions for GOD willing to suffer terrible persecution. The transformation of Paul. The spread of Christianity with no hierarchy, no state approval and periods of terrible persecution. All this is testimony to the actual events.

THE GOSPEL would have been quickly discredited if it weren't true. All this occurred before any hierarchy was created to tell anyone about it's truth.

John 20:29 Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

1,374 posted on 02/05/2008 7:22:56 PM PST by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: wmfights

***Then leave that Assembly that claims to be the keeper of all the secret mysteries and come join us Born Again Christians in the joy of being saved by Grace Alone through Faith Alone in Christ Alone.***

I haven’t joined an assembly. I follow Jesus in the Church that He created and left for us. We are saved by Grace alone. We must have Faith. And Christ is our Messiah. No problems there whatsoever.

***We know from non Christian sources that Jesus was Crucified.***

Name them.

***We have guards at the tomb who are not Christians and who could be severely punished for failing in their duty yet the tomb is empty.***

Name them.

***We have hundreds of witnesses.***

Name them.

***The transformation of Paul.***

Do you have secular evidence?

***The spread of Christianity with no hierarchy, no state approval and periods of terrible persecution.***

Christianity spread far more rapidly and further afield with the Pope in St. Peter’s than at any other time in Christian history.

***THE GOSPEL would have been quickly discredited if it weren’t true. All this occurred before any hierarchy was created to tell anyone about it’s truth.***

That’s why Paul was so important. The mission to the Jews failed. It was to the Gentiles that Paul and Peter (and Thomas) went to save the Church.


1,379 posted on 02/05/2008 7:45:05 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: wmfights; MarkBsnr
We know from non Christian sources that Jesus was Crucified

Who, Josephus? LOL! Which of the four versions?

We have guards at the tomb who are not Christians and who could be severely punished for failing in their duty yet the tomb is empty

Where did that come from? The Bible.

We have hundreds of witnesses

Where did that come from?

The Bible.

The transformation of Paul

According to the Bible.

You see the pattern? the Bible authenticates itself. Some overwhelming evidence.

1,384 posted on 02/05/2008 7:53:47 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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