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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan
...simply claims that lack objective proof. And since it is such a crucial Christian belief, it is a real wonder that so many people believe in something as outrageous as that without a shred of evidence: it's blind faith at its best.

The evidence is all around. It's probably by Faith Alone that your eyes open to see how clear the evidence is.

The lives of the disciples testify to it.

The hundreds of witnesses.

The fulfillment of OT prophecy.

The idea that there is no objective proof because Jesus did not go back to the Temple and confront the hierarchy of the Jews is denying all the other evidence. Why would he go back to them. Jesus did not come to correct the deformed hierarchy of the day. He came to save those the Father had given him.

1,343 posted on 02/05/2008 4:53:43 PM PST by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: wmfights
Amen!

If someone doesn't understand that God's word is true and Christ has risen, then that's just how it goes.

"For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive?" -- 1 Corinthians 4:7


"Teach me, and I will hold my tongue: and cause me to understand wherein I have erred.

How forcible are right words! but what doth your arguing reprove?

Do ye imagine to reprove words, and the speeches of one that is desperate, which are as wind?" -- Job 6:24-26


"Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.

And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." -- Isaiah 8:18-20


1,348 posted on 02/05/2008 5:15:08 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: wmfights; kosta50

***The idea that there is no objective proof because Jesus did not go back to the Temple and confront the hierarchy of the Jews is denying all the other evidence. Why would he go back to them. Jesus did not come to correct the deformed hierarchy of the day. He came to save those the Father had given him.***

May I step in here, kosta?

I think that kosta is trying to say that while there is evidence, there is not the overwhelming proof that would stop a mule in his traces and immediately start walking on the Way. We BELIEVE.

We have a lot of evidence for that belief, but there is not the overwhelming proof. That is what makes the heresy of Gnosticism so appealing. It provides one with a false sense of proof. We attempted to eradicate it beginning in the first century, but it keep coming back because it appeals to so many. We cannot give in to it because it is wrong and because it was declared heresy by the Church.


1,353 posted on 02/05/2008 5:30:19 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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