Posted on 01/27/2008 7:56:14 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg
You are at your best today, Quix. (Smile)
Thanks, wmfights. I agree to some extent that we need to keep trying (in love, however) but in the end it’s the Holy Spirit who guides them and us into all truth. I find that people of other faiths really believe in what they’ve been taught (like we have) and it’s tough to reach them. I know I don’t have the words or the knowledge to rebuke their teachings. I only have the ‘basics’ and hope that’s enough but I don’t have faith in my own ability to do even that. I can only agree with those who do. Love, Mxxx
***The praying to statues, seeing apparitions that are believed to be Mary, the adoration for Mary that sure looks like worship from the outside, and the ever increasing supernatural powers attributed to Mary are all permissible because of the teaching of exclusivity.***
Well, in the end, it doesn’t matter what Catholics think about it and it doesn’t matter what the Pope declares about it. If it is worship in the eyes of the Lord, then the Catholic Church is caught up in a dreadful idolatry and one of which only the Lord himself will purge. We are persuaded that it is with good reason and I think you will find that a great many people will be found that bought into the lie and thought that they were a member of the Church and the body of Christ by the declaration of men only to hear the awful words “I NEVER knew you.”
No amount of prayers to the dead will help.
No amount of prayers to idols and icons will help.
No amount of acts of pennance will help.
It is not faith and works: it is Sola Fide. In faith alone your hope is found.
The Catholic Church itself will be found to have created a strong delusion that held them from the light of truth. Nevertheless,....
Post tenebras lux.
There is the light of truth. Let those brothers of ours who are caught up in the falsehood come out of her and join us in the light.
How sad that you can’t recognize that God speaks to and through his prophets and his people even today. Quix’s God is living and the one true God. Shame on you for inferring otherwise.
A person who is truly saved will live differently from how they lived before their salvatione experience. We can’t live like demons or I would say that person wasn’t really saved at all. I KNOW I’m saved. God’s Spirit witnesses to my spirit that I am and my life will never be the same.
Bless you, dear Quixotic Quix.
It’s apparent that you don’t believe much in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Too bad. It would be of great benefit to you.
It’s apparent that you don’t believe much in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Too bad. It would be of great benefit to you.
Amazing to me that given all the posts in this thread, only a few directly addressed the witness that yours (OpusatFR) provided.
One had the incredible temerity to suggest these lists of self-sacrificers had “nothing to do with the Holy Spirit in Latin America”. Yep, I guess all these people died for nothing; they didn’t die for a Reality they knew as a fact, in their heart. Nope. They died for an illusion.
AMAZING TO SUGGEST THAT, AMAZING! Or you’re not suggesting that? If not, if they died PRECISELY BECAUSE of their love of God and therefore were some of the greatest witnesses to the Holy Spirit’s power, then what the HECK is this thread all about?
Another, “There’s no doubt that many Catholics have been martyred, just as there are many other Christians who dare to share their faith and stand strong have been.” True that, however funny how this thread is only about attacking Catholicism. No one, except you, seems interested in recognizing the reality of the situation described, to whit, that the Holy Spirit is INDEED working in Latin America, just not in the way the OP would seem to want.
Too bad others (including myself) didn’t see Opus’ posts before, and ABSORB their MEANING; we all would’ve saved ourselves a lot of wasted time.
Dr. E.: I have no idea what that means.***
MB: I believe you. Those of us who don't have both feet planted firmly in the air do.
So what does any of that mean?
Or do you prefer to call people names and toss spiteful personal remarks and then just run away? Because this is a very childish, personal method of discussing things.
I could just as easily say your name often looks like it reads:
"Mark BSer"
But that wouldn't further anyone's theological understanding, so I'll keep it to myself.
Exactly right. Great observation. :) We have:
Deut 16:21-22 : 21 Do not set up any wooden Asherah pole beside the altar you build to the Lord your God, 22 and do not erect a sacred stone, for these the Lord your God hates.
Whether this refers to a pole or a grove of trees is irrelevant. The point is clearly to offer a pipeline to a false god. I did find some examples where it looked like the thing itself WAS the god, but there are others that appeared to serve as conduits, just like we have here today.
I think it’s exciting to hear of what the Holy Spirit is doing in Latin America, the middle east (yes, even there) and even in the US. Too bad we don’t hear or read more about it.
"Gospels expunged?" Do you even know what the Gospel is? Does your Bible contain more than four books of the Gospels? Fascinating.
Reformed theology, just like Paul and the Apostles, bases every thought, word and deed on Jesus Christ.
You'll please note that you say I post too much of Paul. But in the nearby post where I offer Christ's exact words, you dismiss them with an haughty "irrelevant." lol.
Again, the RCC wants it both ways.
I didn't know the RCC only used the red letters of the Bible, but if that's all you'll respond to, then read this and learn by it.
And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word" -- John 17:9-10,20
"Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word... He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God." -- John 8:42-43,47
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." -- Matthew 7:15-20
"But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." -- Matthew 15:13-14
"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." -- John 3:3
"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." -- John 10:26-29 "I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
I'm sure Paul would join me in praying for your ability to read these words of Christ and to know the comfort of their perfect assurance in His work on the cross alone.
Reformed Theology is the only theology that take the unity of Scripture serious while at the same time carefully distinguishing between the continuities and discontinuities.
Romanists prefer playing in the shadows which satisfies their idolatrous nature.
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LOL!
Please keep us informed as to when the pope will be vacating the Vatican so the celebration can begin in earnest. (Gamecock's got the beer chilling and I'll bake some brownies. Would someone volunteer to bring the chips and dip?)
the Vatican does not "control" much.
Huh? The pope controls every word of your belief system.
From the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church...
(891) The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this INFALLIBILITY in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful--who confirms his brethren in the faith--he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals. . . . The INFALLIBILITY promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter's successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium," above all in an Ecumenical Council. When the Church through its supreme Magistrium proposes a doctrine "for belief as being divinely revealed," and as the teaching of Christ, the definitions "must be adhered to with the obedience of faith." This INFALLIBILITY extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself. (Page 256)"(882) The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter's successor, "is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful." "For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has FULL, SUPREME and UNIVERSAL POWER over the whole Church, a power which he can ALWAYS exercise UNHINDERED." (page 254)
Sounds like a whole heck of a lot of "control" to me.
And every word in direct opposition to Scripture...
"And he (Jesus) is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in ALL things he might have the PREEMINENCE." -- Colossians 1:18
Scripture tells us all men sin every day, and no man is infallible in anything except Jesus Christ.
"If we say that we have no sin, WE DECEIVE OURSELVES, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins (to Jesus), he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." -- 1 John 1:8-10 "For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" -- Romans 3:23 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately WICKED: who can know it?" -- Jeremiah 17:9
Why just look at Peter whom the RCC imagines to be the first "pope," a man corrected by Paul, but even more telling, rebuked by Christ as "satan"...
"But he (Jesus) turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: THOU art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men." -- Matthew 16:23 "But when Peter was come to Antioch, I (Paul) withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed." -- Galatians 2:11 "And again HE (Peter) DENIED with an oath, I do not know the man (speaking of Jesus). And after a while came unto him they that stood by, and said to Peter, Surely thou also art one of them; for thy speech bewrayeth thee. Then began he to CURSE and to SWEAR, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew." -- Matthew 26:72-74
Amen.
***For the Roman Pontiff... has FULL, SUPREME and UNIVERSAL POWER over the whole Church....***
NO KING BUT JESUS!!!
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