Posted on 01/27/2008 7:56:14 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Randall didn’t go to Latin America to find “poorly catechized Catholics”. He went to help equip pastors of local churches, so they would be able to teach and preach the Word of God. He merely reported what he saw as idolatry and the RCC “watchdogs” on this forum jumped on this thread with fervor.
You've misstated this continually. Let's try for a final clarification.
God's gift of faith in Jesus Christ is not simply the knowledge that Christ is Lord. It is the understanding that Christ is the Saviour.
Do you know any fallen angels or demons who believe Christ is their Saviour?
Me, either.
The knowledge that Christ is Lord should be evident to every created creature in the world. It is self-evident.
But the understanding that Christ is the Saviour who alone paid for every one of the sins of His flock is not so common. It is only held by those to whom God has given new eyes and new ears and a new heart with which to understand and be grateful for the fact that Christ is their Saviour.
No demon, no fallen angel, no Satan believes Christ is their Redeemer.
Hope this helps your misunderstanding of God's word and promise.
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." -- Romans 4:4-5"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Do you understand what Paul is telling you? Are you saved by debt or grace?
Good works are the evidence of God's grace; not a requirement for it.
Amen. That's where all understanding begins and ends.
What does Scripture lack? What are we Bible-believing Christians missing by holding the word of God preeminent in our lives?
Where in Scripture are we told that Angels are given souls to be redeemed by the Sacrifice of Jesus?
Belief is far more than acknowledging Christs Kingship.
What do think Born Again Christians mean when they say they Believe in Jesus?
No demon or fallen angel believes Christ paid for their sins and is thus their Saviour.
By the grace of God, I believe Christ paid for my sins and thus, He is my Saviour.
As previously posted, faith alone - properly comprehended - is not cheap grace. For your edification, since you seem to have missed it on the previous page:
As I said in post 165: So its an active trust - not merely mental assent. As you sit in a chair, you put your trust in it as you plop down. Thats a fairly good metaphor for the kind of trust believe carries with it. If ones belief does not affect ones behavior, it merely assent and not a true belief. This is what James letter is talking about. Works do not and can not save one - Christ is the only One who was without sin and, therefore, eligible to save anyone (For as by one mans disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous). Our (Christians) works are the result of believing in Him and trusting in Him - similar to trusting in the chair to hold us up as we plop down on it. One might say he trusts the chair, but if never sits on it, he has only words.
Taking up the cross - die to self, mortify the deeds of the flesh, etc. - ARE the actions that one who has been saved by the Lord Jesus would take.
Faith precedes good works and is needful or else the works would be rubbish.
You mistakenly think that sola fide is of the devil. faith plus works for new birth is of the devil. Faith plus works for the sanctification of the Saint is of God. To be born again, as the Lord put it, is completely the work of God - as your physical birth was none of your work, neither is ones spiritual birth. A spiritually dead man (Ephesians chapter 2) can do NOTHING of spiritual worth. God must take the initiative (Romans 3:9-18), He choses who will be saved (Ephesians 1:3-8), and He finished the work (Heb 10:1-14).
Romans 3:
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
That seems like a very nonsensical question.
Of course JESUS IS THE SAVIOR.
He is not . . . in any Biblical construction on reality I’m familiar with . . . scheduled to be the savior OF FALLEN ANGELS.
Hell was Scripturally made for the devil and his angels.
I wasn’t aware that the magicsterical had so confused such a simple issue that such a nonsensical question would even be imagined.
Oh I think it's pretty cut and dried. What would you call someone who abuses another, then claims the abuse was for the good of the abused when the abuse is so obviously enjoyed by the abuser?
Then add the attempt to deflect responsibility for the abuse by claiming the vicitm is too picky...well, let's just say it's well traveled ground for those of us familiar with patterns of abuse.
My favorite are the newspaper ads:
“Thank you St. Jude - for prayers answered”.
1) It’s one thing to say that only God the father answers prayers, as he is sovereign over all events and affairs of men; not the deceased.
2) It’s one thing to say that we have only one intercessor to God the Father, and that is Jesus Christ.
3) It’s one thing to say that dead people can’t hear you, nor respond to your prayers.
It’s entire something new to suggest that they read the newspaper from beyond the grave. Just sort of takes RCC idolatry to a whole new level!
Why doesn't he report on the illegitimate children of the reformation: the cults?
They're right down the street from him.
i THOUGHT it was well understood that I didn’t support the RUBBER DICTIONARY of the RC edifice.
Guess I learn something new every day.
Soooooo the magicsterical that was sooo many times in history the world’s experts and chief administrators of physical sadistic torture . . .
has now decreed? Where’s the encyclical?
that
ALL disagreements with the magicsterical’s positions on virtually anything to virtually any degree and particularly with any forcefulness above the burp of a gnat
ARE to be construed as
HORRIBLY SADISTIC, ABUSIVE and otherwise dispicable, beyond the pale of civil society and quite akin to slug burps and volcanic eruptions all over sight-seeing priests and nuns . . . as well as ash falling on icons of the archetypal EARTH MOTHER—in other words—terminally dreadful.
NOTE TO PROTTYS: Please ammend and annotate all copies of your RC rubber dictionaries.
My favorite are the newspaper ads:
Thank you St. Jude - for prayers answered.
1) Its one thing to say that only God the father answers prayers, as he is sovereign over all events and affairs of men; not the deceased.
2) Its one thing to say that we have only one intercessor to God the Father, and that is Jesus Christ.
3) Its one thing to say that dead people cant hear you, nor respond to your prayers.
Its entire something new to suggest that they read the newspaper from beyond the grave. Just sort of takes RCC idolatry to a whole new level!
= = =
INDEED.
Sounds like ABUSE-OF-SAINTS, to me.
I mean, requiring them during their eternal rest to read the MSM!
I’d think that was more a requirement of hell!
Good point, but what is a soul? Now the fallen angels have chosen hell and will not be saved, that was not my point, the point is that belief is far more than acknowledging that Christ is King and Redeemer. Belief is the marriage of faith and works made possible by Grace. Grace is salvific, the born again believer is capable of real faith and real , that is to say grace enabled, works.
Life.
What are we Bible-believing Christians missing by holding the word of God preeminent in our lives?
Unity.
HOGWASH on both counts.
Scripture is FULL OF LIFE.
And I’ve had wonderful spiritual JESUS FOCUSED unity with quite a number of precious RC’s.
Meant to ping you to #356, sorry.
My take on
SALVATION
is that EVERY SCRIPTURE HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION
WILL BE LITERALLY FULFILLED
. . . OFTEN TO THE SHOCK
of probably every magicsterical of every denomination on the planet.
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