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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Did you read any of the three links I gave?"

Yes and while they were disgusting I didn't see anything nearly as reprehensible as the inquisition or crusades, which is where your way takes people. I'll trust and have faith in God.

20 posted on 01/16/2008 11:13:12 AM PST by joebuck
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To: joebuck
I think you have swallowed the Muslim interpretation of the Crusades; for a little more reading on this, I invite you to take a look at This Free Republic discussion, starting with the article at the top.

You might want to look into the Inquisition a little more deeply, too. Thomas F. Madden, professor and chair of the department of history at Saint Louis University, makes the point that the Inquisition actually saved the lives of many people who would otherwise have been torn apart by politically-motivated lords or mob hysteria.

It was not unheard-of for accused criminals held on charges by secular courts, to intentionally commit some technical blasphemy in order to get their case transferred to the Inquisition, where they could hope for careful inveestigation, greater procedural justice, and more clemency in sentencing.

In addition to the link I had above, here's a second Thomas Madden link.

Intriguing quote:

"After the reforms, the Spanish Inquisition had very few critics. Staffed by well-educated legal professionals, it was one of the most efficient and compassionate judicial bodies in Europe.

"No major court in Europe executed fewer people than the Spanish Inquisition. This was a time, after all, when damaging shrubs in a public garden in London carried the death penalty. Across Europe, executions were everyday events.

But not so with the Spanish Inquisition. In its 350-year lifespan only about 4,000 people were put to the stake. Compare that with the witch-hunts that raged across the rest of Catholic and Protestant Europe, in which 60,000 people, mostly women, were roasted. Spain was spared this hysteria precisely because the Spanish Inquisition stopped it at the border.

"When the first accusations of witchcraft surfaced in northern Spain, the Inquisition sent its people to investigate. These trained legal scholars found no believable evidence for witches’ Sabbaths, black magic, or baby roasting. It was also noted that those confessing to witchcraft had a curious inability to fly through keyholes.

"While [Protestant] Europeans were throwing women onto bonfires with abandon, the Spanish Inquisition slammed the door shut on this insanity. (For the record, the Roman Inquisition also kept the witch craze from infecting Italy.)"


Interesting as all this may be, it has no direct bearing on the concept of "teaching authority." While rejecting the claim of apostolic succession and Catholic-style teaching authority, Protestant groups carried out the large-scale burning of supposed witches in Germany, and even Anabaptists carried out massacres. So Inquisition and Crusade have no intrinsic or necessary connection with Church teaching authority, a.k.a. Magisterium.

If there's no "teaching authority" in the Church as such, then St. Paul is very much in error for saying that God appoints teachers; and if the same Holy Spirit teaches equally through the Gay Christian advocates, then by whose authority can anybody say they're wrong?

21 posted on 01/16/2008 11:56:38 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Sorry: Tag-line presently at the dry cleaners. Please find suitable bumper-sticker instead.)
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