"Show me one of those."
A clown mass? Here's one from the diocese of Oakland. The priest is Fr. Brian Joyce.
"Your post surprises and disappoints me, K. I thought you were in favor of, e.g., the restoration of the Tridentine Latin Mass."
I am in favor of it. What I am not in favor of is the idiotic notion that kneeling for communion, as opposed to standing for it (and all other praying at Sunday Liturgies), as required by the 20th Canon of the Council of Nicea, btw, is somehow more likely to inspire a pagan into believing that God is present than not! Kneeling on Sundays is in fact forbidden by that canon, enacted by the First Ecumenical Council. Now, that canon is honored more in the breach than in the keeping in certain churches in Orthodoxy, my own GOA is a good example. But the overwhelming majority of Orthodox Christians obey that canon and even the Greeks are not so presumptuous as to make a positive virtue out of violation of a canon of an Ecumenical Council.
Frankly, C, I'm surprised that you and other posters here believe that kneeling on Sundays was always the practice in the West and that you apparently didn't know that there is a canon positively forbidding it. Do you think that an Orthodox Christian, or an Oriental Orthodox Christian or an Eastern Rite Christian in Communion with Rome, all of whom (well at least those who have been allowed by Rome to retain their ancient rites)obey the 20th Canon of Nicea, will react positively to the claim of some Latin that violation of a canon is a spiritual virtue, is a demonstration of piety beyond that shown by standing for the receipt of communion? What it looks like, Campion, is Latin arrogance.
A clown mass? No, a clown mass with people kneeling to receive communion.
You won't find them.
Frankly, C, I'm surprised that you and other posters here believe that kneeling on Sundays was always the practice in the West and that you apparently didn't know that there is a canon positively forbidding it.
Of course I know of that canon.
Kneeling on Sundays and every other day of the year has been the practice in the West for centuries. We've never held that a disciplinary canon of a council cannot be abrogated. (Unlike the Orthodox, we also don't pretend that they can't be abrogated and then proceed to disobey them!. :-0 ... Overlapping episcopal jurisdictions were also prohibited by Nicaea, recall.) At least some Latin theologians are of the opinion that that canon was never understood to apply to the liturgy, but only to private devotions, at least in the West.
Eastern Rite Christian in Communion with Rome, all of whom (well at least those who have been allowed by Rome to retain their ancient rites)obey the 20th Canon of Nicea
Every Easter Rite Catholic church I've been in knelt on Sundays. Not for very long, but they knelt.
However, the issue that this post was discussing was the reception of communion kneeling, which is the longstanding tradition in the Latin Rite prior to VC II. The Eastern rites, and practically all NO Latin Rite churches (even the clown mass ones) receive communion standing today.
I prefer the older discipline. My wife, who converted from Anglicanism, was positively scandalized by the reception of communion standing in the Catholic Church. Virtually all traditional Anglican churches receive kneeling, at the rail, which I guess is presumptive evidence that, at least in England, the communion rail predates the Reformation by a year or two!
