Posted on 01/04/2008 2:10:49 PM PST by Terriergal
In the Apprising Ministries article Joel Osteen: Apprising His Word Faith Teachings I have clearly showed those who are looking for the truth that Osteen teaches the exact same positive confession Word Faith theology and prosperity gospel as did his late father John, Kenneth “Dad” Hagin (1917-2003), and which is also currently being preached by Hagin’s dutiful disciple Kenneth Copeland and Oneness Pentecostal T.D. Jakes for that matter.
The unique twist that Joel Osteen has added to the mix is the syrupy sweet self-help shtick of Robert Schuller cleverly mixed together for his most popular brand of “Cotton-Candy Christianity.” I am not judging his motivations, or his heart, so I can only say that Osteen’s found the way to preach that his god wants you to have: “Heaven while you're on earth, and then when you die, you get...ah—well, even more Heaven.”
Sadly another sign of the growing spiritual blindness and apostasy in the American Christian Church right now that someone like Joel Osteen is steadily gaining much acceptance even among mainstream evangelicalism. And this comes despite a theology completely consistent with other mainstays on the Trinity Broadcasting Network such as Benny Hinn, Rod Parsley and “pastor” Paula White.
But the news gets even worse for Joel Osteen because running on a parallel track the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormon Church) is also beginning to make inroads toward being considered a legitimate form of Christianity. As case in point we offer Mormons and Evangelicals Ready to Worship Together? But what does this even have to do with Joel Osteen? Well, I’m so glad you asked.
Osteen heads up arguably the largest evangelical church in the country. So here he was on Fox News Sunday a couple of weeks ago saying that in his mind Mormons are genuine Christians as I originally pointed out in Joel Osteen: Mitt Romney And Mormons Are Christians. But the saddest news of all may be that now Joel Osteen has pronounced blessing on the non-Christian cult of the Mormon Church as being Christian; and there is no outrage, and no evangelical leaders publicly calling Osteen to account.
No instead, it’s just business as usual in the apostatizing American Christian Church saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace (Jeremiah 6:14, KJV).
See also:
MORMON CHURCH IS NOW CHRISTIAN
JOEL OSTEEN HELPING MORMONS BECOME A BETTER YOU
Posted by Ken Silva, pastor-teacher at January 3, 2008 07:07 PM
Copyright © 2007 by Ken Silva. All rights reserved.
>Mormons and some other, smaller unorthodox churches are used as a negative example by clergy—I’ve seen ministers hold “study groups” on Mormonism—to elevate their own ministry in the eyes of parishioners.
>What would Jesus do?
>He might go and worship beside the Mormons, embrace them and perhaps enlighten with love rather than subjective Bible scholarship.
Lets look at what Jesus DID do, eh? He would preach to them, and to those that refused to see, He would often rebuke. And who He rebuked, He did not mince words with!
In Matthew 7:22” Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’23”And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
How about John 8:43”Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. 44” You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
45”But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me.
This should make all who believe in Him tremble in fear. These are words that one does not want to hear from his/her Maker and Savior! DId Jesus just sit and pray with the Pharisees, who were even using the proper scriptures, in peace and ecumenicalism? Or are you reading a different set of Scriptures?
Thats a good way to bless them. But blessing the Mormon church is a different definition.
sure seems that way. :-(
Yeah kind of like the apostle Paul went and coddled the Judaizers who only differed on the doctrine of circumcision. And those moneychangers who weren't doing anything wrong! Just minding their own business!
yep. And he did rebuke lots who followed after him for the wrong reasons (because he satisfied their needs e.g. for food). He continually was telling them stuff that told them that he was calling them to come and die to themselves. Jesus ‘church shrinkage’ program.
I guess so, if Joel were king!
TO ALL WHO WANT TO HELP US TO BELIEVE WHAT YOU BELIEVE ABOUT CHRIST AND HOW HE GUIDES HIS PEOPLE ON EARTH.
If this thread is like most others that have anything to do with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or as we are more often called, the Mormons, it will soon be taken over by those who, for reasons of their own, choose to put down my Church, and those of us who worship with it.
We find no problem with people who really want to talk to us about converting to their religion, we spend a lot of time doing it ourselves.
What we find offensive is when people leave out part of the truth to make a half-true lie , or when some one renames something, that we find important or sacred, so it sounds like gutter talk.
I do not know how to tell the difference all the time. There are some Handles that keep showing up, and they are easy to spot. Sometimes, though, I have given a hard and not so kind response to some who honestly care for us and our salvation.
Please forgive us if we get you mixed up.
Thanks for your time,
fred
Nah, Osteen is pretty cheaply bought.
hear hear.
Frankly, i LOOOOVE Glenn Beck and think he’s adorable.
;-)
This stinks to High Heaven. Mitt Romney says Jesus Christ is his Savior and the Savior of all mankind. That’s good enough for Joel Osteen.
This is very dangerous - your hatred for Mormons is way out of balance. Don’t you see that? Joel Osteen is a fine young preacher. I have watched him many times. His books are uplifting.
I am absolutely shocked at the level of hatred toward Mormons on this site. You even hate anyone who has one good thing to say about Mormons. Get a grip.
Jesus Christ is my personal Savior and I love Him with all my heart. Heavenly Father sent His only begotten Son to die for me to save me from my sins. The Holy Ghost is my witness. I am a Mormon. Deal with it.
Let’s just see some of what the Bible says about hate:
” ‘Do not hate your brother in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in his guilt.” Leviticus 19:17
Interesting. You are expected NOT to hate people but to at the same time be able to rebuke also. How foreign to the church today!
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For a day or two, read the posts as if the things we hold near and dear are dragged through the mud and spit upon.
Telling us why you think you are right, making what we believe to be wrong, is OK. We do it when we go out and teach.
Just one negative idea to think about is, “peep stone joe” added to something Brother Joseph said. Not only used to cast unfavorable light on what is said, but it is down right disrespecitible and degrading.
Video Challenges Public Misperceptions,
Explains Myths vs. Reality:
http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=ae11627d59eec010VgnVCM1000004e94610aRCRD
I pray that they might find the saving Grace of God, through Jesus Christ and forsake their covenants, oaths and law-keeping.
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And then, posting after posting, you use words that inflame and anger, so your love for us only helps you.
Why did God create us?
“We are Christians to our core” “We love the Bible”
http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=ae11627d59eec010VgnVCM1000004e94610aRCRD
Jesus Christ saves. You are backhanded bashing just like Huckabee. You don’t know what I believe. With all the rebuking you are doing remember the beam and the mote. And now I pray for you just as Jesus taught me to pray for those who aren’t so nice to me.
http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=ae11627d59eec010VgnVCM1000004e94610aRCRD
Click on the video - it’s very interesting. I am saved, FReeper pal. I love Jesus Christ with all my heart. “Blessed Assurance, Jesus is mine”
In reference to your other post, comparing a pharisee to a Mormon is confusing. When Jesus confronted the pharisees he was a Jew confronting Jewish clergy about their corruption. But in the case of the Samaritan woman he is reaching out to someone outside Hebrewism.
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