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To: Soliton
Dear friend,

I am simply trying to determine the tradition from which your understanding of the Creator is taken. It would seem obvious that you are jewish from your screen name, but as I mentioned, I too am a zionist, but not jewish.

I am a Noachide.

You said you would explain how "rationalists" arrive at morals and the Big Bang. With regard to the first I have asked you to do so. With regard to the second I have asked you (from the atheist perspective) what caused it, or, if nothing caused it, how is it explicable? In return you have done nothing but asked me to define "G-d." Is my answer to this question part of your answer to my own questions to you? Are you going to prove to me that (since a self-existent G-d is allegedly no more logical than a self-existent universe) I am in fact myself a "rationalist who doesn't realize it?" How would this answer jibe with your labeling such people as myself as "irrational?"

I have defined G-d as "Qoneh Shamayim va'Aretz," the "acquirer of Heaven and Earth."

Now, are you going to take this information and from it explain how "rationalists" such as yourself arrive at "morality" and explain the Big Bang, or are you not?

33 posted on 01/04/2008 9:43:32 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . Bo' 'el Par`oh; ve'amarta 'elayv, Koh 'amar HaShem: shallach 'et-`ammi veya`avduni!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I have defined G-d as "Qoneh Shamayim va'Aretz," the "acquirer of Heaven and Earth."

Obviously, one cannot "acquire" something that didn't already exist. In what sense can an entity that acquires an existing thing be called "Creator"?

34 posted on 01/04/2008 9:55:44 AM PST by Soliton
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I believe your name to be Derek, am I wrong?

Find a faith and hold onto it brother. Don’t agonize over the iota’s. My only point was that faith, not logic is G-d’s way. Logic will lead you away from faith.


35 posted on 01/04/2008 10:13:45 AM PST by Soliton
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