So logic, rightly understood, teaches that the world is self-existent and meaningless? Your being on FR isn't a very good witness to the ultimate meaninglessness of everything. Why not be a true Epicurean, quite worrying about ideology, enjoy the sunsets, avoid suffering, etc.?
BTW, I believe atheism has no place on Free Republic.
I'd give it the same place our Founders would give it in America.
I'm not an atheist, but I can't stand religionists who abandon faith and try to debate with logic. Besides I too am a zionist.
I will happily debate as if I'm an atheist if you like though
I'm glad you don't make the rules around here. Religious bigotry doesn't belong on FR or any other republic
Maybe atheists propose these ideas we describe and maybe logic means some of these things we think, but that doesn’t take away from my experience of them. To say something has no place maybe like saying the future maybe not important. Just because you can’t find an answer to a question doesn’t imply you should not attempt to do such. I’ve read Harris’ book and to be fair he makes valid points but they resemble to me the same erroneous conclusion that religious people come to in fundamentalism. He’s a materialist fundamentalist and anyone that doesn’t understand that this type of filter compares to religious fundamentalism doesn’t understand “belief systems” or BS for short. I learn much from him by reading his thoughts, but no more than if I were to read a great work of fiction, to think his symbols jotted down on paper are more real than the bibles doesn’t help me understand reality anymore than following the bible to understand reality. Why should words even matter if they serve only to lock me in a mental jail. Maybe reading these various people can help one figure out that nobody can claim to be expert in anything and that infinite possibilities abound, not limited by anything but our imaginations. I enjoy reading all POV so why would I not like hearing ideas that I am not supposed to read about? By saying something maybe not welcome maybe like saying I don’t like you or I hate you, If my beliefs are strong then nothing you say will matter, why would I fear the atheists in free republic? No, they don’t scare me and no I don’t care if you beleive in God but why do you insist I must follow you, that maybe why I am displeased with the notion of religion. By abdicating responsibility onto a leader we give away our ability to take responsibility for ourselves, that maybe what people like Harris are trying to communicate, that disempowerment can lead to insane actions in an attempt to reconcile discontinuity. Scientists can be accused of their own inquistions as well, in a honest world nobody gets fully out from under the blame, Harris either ignores this or doesn’t even have awareness of such matters. The same can be said for very religious people, some simply are unaware of the pain they cause others, because in their minds burning them at a stake maybe saving their souls, that’s not an improvement from injecting children with radiation, Harris doesn’t understand this yet.
Maybe atheists propose these ideas we describe and maybe logic means some of these things we think, but that doesn’t take away from my experience of them. To say something has no place maybe like saying the future maybe not important. Just because you can’t find an answer to a question doesn’t imply you should not attempt to do such. I’ve read Harris’ book and to be fair he makes valid points but they resemble to me the same erroneous conclusion that religious people come to in fundamentalism. He’s a materialist fundamentalist and anyone that doesn’t understand that this type of filter compares to religious fundamentalism doesn’t understand “belief systems” or BS for short. I learn much from him by reading his thoughts, but no more than if I were to read a great work of fiction, to think his symbols jotted down on paper are more real than the bibles doesn’t help me understand reality anymore than following the bible to understand reality. Why should words even matter if they serve only to lock me in a mental jail. Maybe reading these various people can help one figure out that nobody can claim to be expert in anything and that infinite possibilities abound, not limited by anything but our imaginations. I enjoy reading all POV so why would I not like hearing ideas that I am not supposed to read about? By saying something maybe not welcome maybe like saying I don’t like you or I hate you, If my beliefs are strong then nothing you say will matter, why would I fear the atheists in free republic? No, they don’t scare me and no I don’t care if you beleive in God but why do you insist I must follow you, that maybe why I am displeased with the notion of religion. By abdicating responsibility onto a leader we give away our ability to take responsibility for ourselves, that maybe what people like Harris are trying to communicate, that disempowerment can lead to insane actions in an attempt to reconcile discontinuity. Scientists can be accused of their own inquistions as well, in a honest world nobody gets fully out from under the blame, Harris either ignores this or doesn’t even have awareness of such matters. The same can be said for very religious people, some simply are unaware of the pain they cause others, because in their minds burning them at a stake maybe saving their souls, that’s not an improvement from injecting children with radiation, Harris doesn’t understand this yet.
I am a conservative Atheist. Why do you believe that I should not be able to voice my opinion here? Has the conservative movement become faith based?