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Poll: Which Hymn Do you Wish was Banned From Church?
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Posted on 11/24/2007 1:33:40 PM PST by ensignsj

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To: Cheburashka; Cletus.D.Yokel; bcsco; lightman
Reverend, it appears you’ve spent a lot of time in agony during services trying not to yield to the temptation to bite your own ears off.

Fortunately, I pick the hymns, and I don't pick junk. I only use the hymnal, so we are spared the "contemporary worship praise songs" (e.g., "Shine, Jesus, Shine") and schlocky old "gospel hymns" (e.g., "In the Garden") that didn't make it into the hymnal.

Now what I *have* had to deal with sometimes, over the years, are organists/choir directors with bad musical taste and/or poor theological acumen.

Then there are weddings and funerals, when people want to have bad music with poor theology sung.

61 posted on 11/25/2007 1:22:15 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: Gamecock
I think you have your date wrong, I'd say most after 1865.....

I was going to say, except for "For All the Saints", but Wikipedia tells me it was published in 1864. Just under the wire.

I want it sung at my funeral, with the Ralph Vaughn Williams tune.

Thou wast their Rock, their Fortress and their Might;
Thou, Lord, their Captain in the well fought fight;
Thou, in the darkness drear, their one true Light.
Alleluia, Alleluia!

62 posted on 11/25/2007 2:18:59 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("Is not the day of the LORD darkness, and not light, and gloom with no brightness in it?")
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To: Lee N. Field
I want it sung at my funeral, with the Ralph Vaughn Williams tune.

Better specify which lyrics, too. Some newer hymnals, notably the ELCA abomination Evangelical Lutheran Worship have stripped away all the military imagery (ie changing "soon, soon to faithful warriors comes their rest" to "soon, soon to faithful servants comes their rest") to appease the hate-America peacenik crowd.

63 posted on 11/25/2007 6:25:18 PM PST by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be Exorcised.)
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To: fproy2222; Gamecock
nothing stops you from bashing my faith. Are not you in favor of that "do unto others" thing.

Ditto.

64 posted on 11/25/2007 7:52:22 PM PST by Campion
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To: Pontiac

I always sing the words the way they’re s’posed to be. Loudly!


65 posted on 11/26/2007 6:09:04 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Charles Henrickson

In the Garden is beautiful....


66 posted on 11/26/2007 6:09:49 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Huntress

Yes, the tune to the Lord’s Prayer is truly awful.


67 posted on 11/26/2007 6:10:38 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Fight on, Charles! It is a worthy fight, to keep the music standards up. Those schlocky ditty-song-books should all be burned, and some musicians should be in stocks (the ones who cannot consistently count to FOUR). As a musician, I have to say, the contemporary music is torture. I avoid those services at all costs.


68 posted on 11/26/2007 6:15:40 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Red hymnal or that pagan blue one?


69 posted on 11/26/2007 6:44:32 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Charles Henrickson

Red hymnal or that pagan blue one?


70 posted on 11/26/2007 6:44:49 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: nina0113

Any nominees? I can’t remember the name of that atrocious one.


71 posted on 11/26/2007 7:16:24 AM PST by Steve0113 (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. -A.L.)
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To: Ransomed

“Lord of the Dance” word written by Sydney Carter in 1963.
Music traditional English even when it was picked up by Ann Lee and the Shakers in the 18th century.


72 posted on 11/26/2007 7:24:13 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom...though it cost all you have, get understanding" - Prov. 4)
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To: ensignsj

All of them.


73 posted on 11/26/2007 7:25:08 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Mr. Lucky; Cletus.D.Yokel; bcsco; lightman
My LCMS congregation currently uses The Lutheran Hymnal (TLH, 1941). We recently voted to move to Lutheran Service Book (LSB, 2006). At other congregations, I have also used Lutheran Worship (LW, 1982). All three of the hymnals have their plusses and minuses. On balance I think LSB is the best overall. Any one of them is a far sight better than the no-hymnal "contemporary worship."
74 posted on 11/26/2007 7:29:49 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: bboop
I always sing the words the way they’re s’posed to be. Loudly!

Me, too, with particular emphasis on "he" and "man"! And I have a BIG voice ... I can lead a whole choir flat, from the back row :-).

75 posted on 11/26/2007 8:03:26 AM PST by Tax-chick (Every committee wants to take over the world.)
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To: Charles Henrickson; Cletus.D.Yokel
Any one of them is a far sight better than the no-hymnal "contemporary worship."

Absolutely! Our contemporary service is the third Sunday. We usually pass unless something else is going on. I'd have to look see what book we use. The overriding problem I have is having memorized things like the Lord's Prayer, The Creeds, etc. back when 'thou' 'thee', 'thine' 'unto' and 'shall', etc. were still being used. I find myself reciting by rote and fall out of step with the rest of the congregation because I'm spouting the 'old' version.

For instance:

Our Father, who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy name.
Thy kingdom come;
Thy will be done
On earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread;
And forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive those who trespass against us;
And lead us not into temptation;
But deliver us from evil;
For Thine is the kingdom
And the power
And the glory
Forever and ever. Amen

It certainly makes it interesting. I still have my 'The Lutheran Hymnal' publication date of 1941 by Concordia. All kinds of 'Thees' and 'Thy's' in it.

76 posted on 11/26/2007 9:42:05 AM PST by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: Pontiac; Tax-chick
All of the traditional hymns which have had their lyrics modified to be politically correct.

I recently saw where the Christmas carol "Good Christian Men, Rejoice" was re-written to "Good Christian Friends, Rejoice".

77 posted on 11/26/2007 10:20:34 AM PST by Steve0113 (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. -A.L.)
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To: Charles Henrickson

“In the Garden” is one of my favorites - that Baptist upbringing, y’know. It was sung at my grandfather’s funeral.


78 posted on 11/26/2007 10:48:46 AM PST by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: Steve0113

Probably YOU meant “Lord of the Dance.” MY vote goes to “Offering of Ashes.” I’m not registering with them to vote in the actual poll.


79 posted on 11/26/2007 10:52:46 AM PST by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: nina0113

Not that one. I’m thinking of the one to which I played the air drums last time, to your dismay.


80 posted on 11/26/2007 10:57:43 AM PST by Steve0113 (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. -A.L.)
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