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To: Ottofire
Of course not. Just because the Mormon church runs screaming from predestination, (just like most Christian churches do), does not mean they don’t play footsie with Gods foreknowledge. The bible clearly teaches this doctrine that you disagree with (just look at Ephesians 1 for a good starter.)

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You have done a good gob of using my question to give your mostly misdirected answer. You even managed to not answer my question.

The question is, If through predestination God has decided how to create me and what I am to do after I die, or restated, if I can do nothing to change where I am going because he has already decided where I will go, WHY SHOULD I WORRY ABOUT WHAT I DO IN THIS LIFE?

I WILL GO WHERE HE SENDS ME MO MATTER WHAT, BECAUSE HE ALLREADY DECIDED THAT BEFORTIME.

This is the bottom line of what you and yours teach.

9 posted on 11/24/2007 5:50:43 PM PST by fproy2222 (If you want to know the truth, study both sides. To the most original source.)
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To: fproy2222

>You have done a good gob of using my question to give your mostly misdirected answer. You even managed to not answer my question.

Sorry, not my intention.

>The question is, If through predestination God has decided how to create me and what I am to do after I die, or restated, if I can do nothing to change where I am going because he has already decided where I will go, WHY SHOULD I WORRY ABOUT WHAT I DO IN THIS LIFE?

Okay. We do what is in our nature. When the unregenerate are in rebellion against God, it is because they know no other way. That is why the Great Commission is so important; for through the preaching of the word the Spirit will move. We do not know that even Hitler or Saddam Hussain didn’t get moved by someone prior to their deaths, and they might be saved.

Your nature will dictate what you will or will not do, and your nature is changed when you are reborn in Christ. Yes it was decided from before the foundations of the Earth, but that does not mean that you, I or anyone but God knows who is or is not elect. Your actions DO matter. Just as through the actions of the faithful spreading the word, God moves people from the dead in sin, to those that are alive in Christ.

>I WILL GO WHERE HE SENDS ME MO MATTER WHAT, BECAUSE HE ALLREADY DECIDED THAT BEFORTIME.

Your actions will determine where you are sent. We are punished justly for our rebellion. We are shown mercy by not being punished immediately for our sin. Some are given the grace of adoption for nothing that we have done, but for God giving us the eyes to see and the ears to hear. Sticking your fingers in your ears and slamming your eyes shut will just get you what you deserve.

You may or may not willingly give your self to Christ, I cannot judge this. But you will not do so without God working in your heart, freeing you to do so. I pray that the Spirit works in your heart, allowing you to see the God that poured out Himself so that those that believe will not perish.

>This is the bottom line of what you and yours teach.

THIS is the bottom line of what the Reformed doctrines are. You, by no work of your own, but by God from before time, may have had your name written in the Book of Life. Most have not, and will justly be sent to the eternal fire and torment of hell, and will never choose the right path, for they want to rebel against God. The elect will be those that do not fall away, but those that persevere. Everything that you or I do is tainted by sin, and can only be repaid by death. Only by holding to Him that was not tainted, may we be saved.

I understand that J. White is hated by some for what he says about your religion. Please do not let this taint your understanding of his faith, or try and vilify him for it. He is trying to obey God by spreading the Word to the unregenerate, much like the missionaries the Mormon church sends to the Christians. I understand that some few Christians treat your nice young men horribly, but that is no excuse for you to do the same to Doctor White.


16 posted on 11/25/2007 8:51:07 AM PST by Ottofire (For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God)
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