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Pope to purge the Vatican of modern music
The Telegraph ^
| 21/11/2007
| Malcolm Moore
Posted on 11/23/2007 4:01:21 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: virgil
I dont really know what were referring to when we reference praise music. But I think Sing of Mary is a beautiful song. Is this to say that we shouldnt sing O Come Emmanuel at Advent? You are aware of the antiquity of that tune right? 12c if I remember right. The words used to be "Veni Veni Emmanuel," but the tune was the same. Sung in English, Latin or Swahili it is perfectly acceptable at Mass. Sing of Mary is newer of course but also acceptable at Mass. Praise and Worship Music is Protestantized rock hymns generally sung at Charismatic Masses, (though not all Charismatic Churches are into this sort of thing). Also, other hymns such as Sing a New Church into Being (old music new words), is heretical but continues to be sung at many Masses. Simply put, I don't think you can even compare O Come, O Come Emmanuel to something as lamentable as Our God is an Awesome God.
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posted on
11/24/2007 3:04:05 AM PST
by
Diva
To: Diva
“This song...is an awful song
It stinks...to heaven above...”
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posted on
11/24/2007 7:58:21 AM PST
by
Jeff Chandler
("Liberals want to save the world for the children they aren't having." -Mark Steyn)
To: Jeff Chandler
This song...is an awful song It stinks...to heaven above...
Or my favorite, "Our God is an awesome God he rains fire from heaven above."
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posted on
11/25/2007 2:49:58 AM PST
by
Diva
To: xzins
Handels music would also be very Lutheran.
That just might be a show-stopper.
Was his setting of Carmelite Vespers Lutheran? Or his Dixit Dominus? Messiah was written when he was settled in England (after the Anglican Chandos Anthems), so if anything would be Anglican rather than Lutheran.
To: ventana
Non-instrumental music was the norm, as I understand it, after the destruction of the temple. I thought that instruments were used in the temple (?)
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posted on
11/26/2007 5:13:45 AM PST
by
Greg F
(Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
To: onedoug
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posted on
11/26/2007 6:07:02 AM PST
by
bonfire
To: FloreatIacobus
Handel went to England solely because his German royal patron, George I, became King of England. George, the elector of Hanover, oversaw the Saxony region of Germany, to include Wittenberg. Frederick III of Hanover was the particular royal who supported Martin Luther. His brother was a particular supporter, and the religion of state became evangelische Lutheran. George, a product of that history, took his Lutheranism to England, and found a welcome union with the Reformation Anglicanism of that day. Recall that George Whitefield, an Anglican priest of the time, was a solidly predestinarian preacher, which put him the exact mold of Luther and Calvin.
This is the religious tradition of Handel. His patron was a thorough-going Lutheran. It is clearly seen later in Handel's life in a comment on his work "Jephtha." Handel writes about his eyesight and sums it up as one of those mysterious "decrees of God."
Handel of Hanover was no different than his patron, George I of Hanover, who regularly returned to his German realm even as he ruled his British realm.
I remember my journey through the castle at Coberg in Germany wherein Luther remained hidden for so long by his Saxon protector. The guide took great pains to point out visits of Queen Victoria to her German estates.
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posted on
11/26/2007 6:15:40 AM PST
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain. True Supporters of the Troops will pray for US to Win!)
To: FloreatIacobus; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; Frumanchu; blue-duncan
Handel went to England solely because his German royal patron, George I, became King of England. George, the elector of Hanover, oversaw the Saxony region of Germany, to include Wittenberg. Frederick III of Hanover was the particular royal who supported Martin Luther. His brother was a particular supporter, and the religion of state became evangelische Lutheran. George, a product of that history, took his Lutheranism to England, and found a welcome union with the Reformation Anglicanism of that day. Recall that George Whitefield, an Anglican priest of the time, was a solidly predestinarian preacher, which put him the exact mold of Luther and Calvin.
This is the religious tradition of Handel. His patron was a thorough-going Lutheran. It is clearly seen later in Handel's life in a comment on his work "Jephtha." Handel writes about his eyesight and sums it up as one of those mysterious "decrees of God."
Handel of Hanover was no different than his patron, George I of Hanover, who regularly returned to his German realm even as he ruled his British realm.
I remember my tour through the castle at Coberg in Germany wherein Luther remained hidden for so long by his Saxon protector. The guide took great pains to point out visits centuries later of Queen Victoria to her German estates.
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posted on
11/26/2007 6:17:05 AM PST
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain. True Supporters of the Troops will pray for US to Win!)
To: Greg F
When you freeze music for 100s of years though, in my opinion, it becomes at best an acquired taste and at worst a form of worship that no longer leads to actual worship but just rote repetition
I disagree completely.
I would argue that
this music can be appreciated immediately.
On the other hand, acquiring a taste for
garbage like this would take a lifetime.
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posted on
11/28/2007 5:56:55 AM PST
by
GOPmember
(Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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