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Why the Pope is right to purge modern music
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| November 20, 2007
| Damian Thompson
Posted on 11/20/2007 1:34:30 PM PST by NYer
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posted on
11/20/2007 1:34:32 PM PST
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NYer
To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
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posted on
11/20/2007 1:34:55 PM PST
by
NYer
("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
To: NYer
"We are moving into an era of liturgical revolution. Benedict detests the feeble "folk Masses" that have remained the staple fare of Catholic worship long after they went out of musical fashion."
To: NYer
What, no Ozzy or Dio tunes? LOL.
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posted on
11/20/2007 1:42:59 PM PST
by
rfp1234
(Mundus vult decipi: the world wants to be deceived. ---James Branch Cabell)
To: NYer
“..the standard of singing in St Peter’s basilica has struggled to match that of a Gilbert and Sullivan society.”
You mean, no more drums, bongos and loud meaningless screams at Mass? Leave anything up to liberals (I hate to say that we have a large supply of them in the Catholic Church) and you’ll have chaos. B16 brings a breath of fresh air. Gruss Gott.
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posted on
11/20/2007 1:43:44 PM PST
by
353FMG
(Government is the opiate of the masses.)
To: NYer
SWEET! No more kum-bah-yah!
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posted on
11/20/2007 1:46:03 PM PST
by
steve8714
(The last actor elected POTUS turned out OK.)
To: NYer
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posted on
11/20/2007 1:46:48 PM PST
by
steve8714
(The last actor elected POTUS turned out OK.)
To: 353FMG
To: NYer
Hmmm, no soulja boy for the Pope.
To: Always Right
GO HAM ON EM SOULJAH GO HAM ON EM
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posted on
11/20/2007 2:10:39 PM PST
by
B-Chan
(Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
To: NYer
The next generation of choir directors have been charged by the Pope with the task of reintroducing beautiful music into church. If they succeed, then at long last the pews may begin to fill up again. Could very well be true. Never underestimate the power of bad music to keep people away.
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posted on
11/20/2007 2:13:12 PM PST
by
Mr. Mojo
(“Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors and miss.")
To: NYer
Viva il Papa!
The problem is that modern music has not had time to show which of it is good and which crappy. I bet, hard as it is to imagine, that there was once banal, trite Gregorian chant. If you listen to Salieri and then Mozart, you realize that being a long time ago is/was no guarantee of excellence.
But when the choice of music is based on a bogus ideological misunderstanding of aggiornamento then, well, kum ba yah.
If we just looked for GOOD music with lyrics that managed either Doric simplicity or other excellence, we'd be okay.
As it is, I'm always grateful for awful hymnody. It provides a legitimate outlet for the rhetoric of abuse.
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posted on
11/20/2007 2:26:12 PM PST
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: Mad Dawg
There’s many an old Protestant hymn that’d be suitable for singing in Catholic church as well. Just not anything written after around 1900, for the most part.
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posted on
11/20/2007 3:17:15 PM PST
by
Argus
To: Argus
Theres many an old Protestant hymn thatd be suitable for singing in Catholic church as well.One of the good htings to cmoe out of Vat II is that yeah there are and they're sung.The bad news is that the dodos think that we're too dumb to understand:
"Thou art, Which wert, thou hidest, he taketh," and other older than yestrday inflections of English verbs.It's so LAME and irritating (especially if you know the hymns by heart.) Then you get the revisions of texts so that nobody ever has to sing the masculine 3rd person pronoun and mean Gawdamighty by it.
Maybe it's a "marker" of bogus ideology that it's allergic and hostile to beauty and elegance.
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posted on
11/20/2007 4:09:51 PM PST
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: Mad Dawg
C.S. Lewis would have agreed with your concluding sentence.
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posted on
11/20/2007 4:14:26 PM PST
by
Argus
To: NYer
The Mass this morning was opened with an absolutely atrocious hymn. I didn't bother singing it. However, I did go to the hymnal and look for the composer. Marty Haugen, of course. Just as I suspected.
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posted on
11/20/2007 4:19:01 PM PST
by
JoeFromSidney
(My book is out. Read excerpts at http://www.thejusticecooperative.com)
To: Argus
High praise. I bet I stole the idea from him. But it just seems so right. If you have to write "though the sinful human eye//your glory may not see" to replace all the ahem scandalous aspects of "though the eye of mortal man//thy glory may not see" it ought to be a clue that something is amiss. And then to replace "which wert and art and ever more shall be" with "which were and are and ever more shall be" when we never use "which" with "you" in modern English ....
Oh my, Don't get me started. It IS God, it IS His church and the body of His Son. He HAS redeemed us and shared Himself and all He has with us, and to get too worked up about the hymns is disproportionate.
Speaking of disproportionate, have you seen their version of ...
NO! Mad Dawg! Get a hold of yourself!
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posted on
11/20/2007 4:39:04 PM PST
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: NYer
I attended Mass at a neighboring parish and almost fell of my seat when the music director ran his hand down the length of the keyboard, burlesque style, during the Alleluia. I found it to be unsettling and inappropriate.
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posted on
11/20/2007 5:16:23 PM PST
by
socialismisinsidious
( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
To: JoeFromSidney
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posted on
11/20/2007 5:24:40 PM PST
by
pbear8
(Padre Pio please pray for Tony Snow)
To: socialismisinsidious
Ah, but have you heard the ‘Lamb of God’ sung to the tune of Edelweiss?? It’s enough to make you think you should be on meds.
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posted on
11/20/2007 5:26:43 PM PST
by
pbear8
(Padre Pio please pray for Tony Snow)
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