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To: Uncle Chip; 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg; tabsternager; Gamecock; Lee N. Field; Campion
"You also forget that Jesus in Luke 24 was demonstrating how the prophets were all speaking of Him, not secular Israel thousands of years in the future."

Ohh -- you mean Him whose prophet said this about Him:

"Thus saith the LORD: I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem:

Exactly.

22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. (Hebrews 12)
All you need to do is read the Old in the light of the New, and Christ’s sacrifice for His people Israel, and it will all make sense.
9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy. (1 Peter 2)
Dispensationalism will not get you to the truth.
87 posted on 11/20/2007 11:36:15 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism is a disease ... as contagious as polio.")
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To: topcat54
All you need to do is read the Old in the light of the New, and Christ’s sacrifice for His people Israel, and it will all make sense.

I had one on FR (I can dig it up if I have to) flat out tell me that the way Jesus, the gospel writers, Paul, etc. (the writers of the NT) interpreted scripture didn't matter, that what mattered was how the original recipients would have interpreted the scripture.

[shakes head sadly]

What was Jesus teaching His people between resurrection and ascension? How the scriptures pointed to Him, or the schedule for him whuppin' the Romans and setting up the earthly kingdom?

9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy. (1 Peter 2)

OT language about Israel applied directly to the Christian ekklesia.

89 posted on 11/20/2007 11:48:55 AM PST by Lee N. Field ("Dispensationalism -- threat or menace?")
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To: topcat54; Quix; fortheDeclaration; Dr. Eckleburg
But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy. (1 Peter 2)

Dispensationalism will not get you to the truth.

It won't???? Atleast it won't mislead us like Preterism does.

Perhaps you can tell us just exactly who this holy nation [singular] is here from your 1 Peter 2 quote above??? Remembering of course that Peter was writing to the "sojourners" [Jews] scattered throughout Asia Minor, and is citing Exodus 19:6 and Deuteronomy 7:6.

It can't be the Church because the Church is made up of many nations aka Gentiles [plural] not just one [holy nation].

Maybe we have solved the mystery of just what nation Jesus was referring to here:

"The kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits of it." [Mt 21:43]

It will be this nation returned from its 2000 year Diaspora.

98 posted on 11/21/2007 4:32:35 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: topcat54
"Thus saith the LORD: I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem:

Exactly.

22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. (Hebrews 12)

You need to read more carefully. That says "the heavenly Jerusalem" which is different from this Jerusalem:

"Thus saith the LORD: I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain.... Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will save my people from the east country, and from the west country; And I will bring them, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God, in truth and in righteousness." [Zechariah 8]

100 posted on 11/21/2007 5:57:10 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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