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To: jo kus
We could argue that for awhile. It was Adam's sin that brought sin and death into the world, not Eve. Also, how was Eve "ignorant", when she knew God's command to not eat from the tree of knowledge? My point was the sin of ignornace is not as "damning" as one done willfully. For example, read Numbers 15:

Indeed, it was Adam’s sin that condemned mankind, as he is the head of the “natural man.” But we are told that Adam was not deceived but Eve was deceived. I believe that when the serpent said unto the woman, “Ye shall not surely die,” that she believed him. Thus she thought she could eat the fruit without consequences. Perhaps you have a different take.

If ignorance is a mitigating factor, then what difference can we discern between the discipline meted out to Adam verses Eve?

The force of the difference is clear. The sins of ignorance are not as bad as those done in full knowledge, done wilfully and despite the commandments.

I have found that interpretations that are obvious in one passage of scripture and not so clear in other passages. What about a person who is willfully ignorant of God’s word?

We all walk a fine line. I understand the difficulties in your job and also the blessings. I have no prescription for someone in an adulterous marriage except for Christ who is just and the justifier of all that believe.

Seven
683 posted on 11/15/2007 11:58:58 PM PST by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Seven_0
Indeed, it was Adam’s sin that condemned mankind, as he is the head of the “natural man.” But we are told that Adam was not deceived but Eve was deceived. I believe that when the serpent said unto the woman, “Ye shall not surely die,” that she believed him. Thus she thought she could eat the fruit without consequences. Perhaps you have a different take.

Yes, Paul wrote that Eve was deceived and not Adam. That is an interesting passage, and I am not sure why Paul writes it, because Adam was clearly deceived, as well. He was apparently next to Eve when the serpent tempted her.

And when the woman saw that the tree [was] good for food, and that it [was] pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make [one] wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. Gen 3:6

Paul's assertion is a bit confusing to me, I am not sure why he says that, except perhaps to exhonerate the male for some reason. He knew where Eve got the fruit from and that the serpent tempted her.

If ignorance is a mitigating factor, then what difference can we discern between the discipline meted out to Adam verses Eve?

That's a good question - if we think that Eve was ignorant. However, I do not believe either were ignorant, and they willfully broke God's commandment, since they BOTH ate of the fruit of the tree that they were forbidden to eat from. Thus, they received due punishment and were cast out of union with God in the Garden. Now, why was man and woman punished differently? God has His reasons on why women would be subject to man and that men would have to sweat for their food.

I have found that interpretations that are obvious in one passage of scripture and not so clear in other passages. What about a person who is willfully ignorant of God’s word?

LOL! Willfully ignorant? Can you give me an example of what that means? I think the two terms are mutually exclusive - do you mean someone chooses to remain ignornant?

I have no prescription for someone in an adulterous marriage except for Christ who is just and the justifier of all that believe.

True. Once a person is told of their relationship, and they believe that the source of the judgment is truly from God through a human instrument, then it is their responsibility to do something about it. They are no longer ignorant; continued "marital activity" without some sort of action or plan in view to remedy the situation would be a willful ignoring of God's command.

Only God can judge the heart of men, so it is difficult to know how "ignorant" someone really is.

Regards

684 posted on 11/16/2007 4:19:32 AM PST by jo kus (You can't lose your faith? What about Luke 8:13...? God says you can...)
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