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To: Seven_0
The church doesn’t keep it secret. Can you imagine someone standing before God at the judgment saying, “I didn’t know that I was sinning?”

First, everyone doesn't "know" the Church's teachings on such things. Which "marriages" require an annulment is even confusing to me sometimes, and I am supposed to know this stuff... I doubt many people pick up the Code of Canon Law and read the chapter on marriages at the beginning or the end of such a relationship.

Also, regarding "unknown sins", I think you will find support for the concept. The OT especially has verses that ask God to forgive us of sins we may have commited but were unaware of them. I do not believe that sins commited ignorantly are as dangerous to the soul as the willful sins. Hebrews 10, for example, discusses willful sins, not sins in general commited out of ignorance. It is the rejection of God that locks us out of heaven, not following a rule book we may not be aware of.

I am painfully aware of the fact that when I judge others, I condemn myself. Still I will take a stand on adultery.

Well, I appreciate that stand. However, being in a position to see people on a real life basis in these situations (a person who married someone who has not had their last relationship annuled), I have a harder time "condemning" them. They truly were acting in good will when they married civilly. They love their wife/husband and have a good relationship. It is difficult for me to "condemn" someone because their spouse's previous relationship was not officially annuled by the Church. How am I as an RCIA instructor supposed to slam the door in people's faces because of that? It is very hard, to judge others based on their ignorance of Canon Law, when they are actively seeking God and desiring to become Catholic. These things are delicate subjects, and as such, I have a harder time making such decisions that are not so black and white. Naturally, we do not accuse them of adultery!

Considering this verse, what do you think will happen to a person that accuses someone of losing his salvation?

I think Paul is refering to the Gentile who has a general tendency to sin, not a good person who ignorantly breaks ecclesiastical rules. I think we can determine the wicked from the decent person. The context of the verse (Romans 2:1) is written towards the Jew/Christian who is proud of their religiousity, while they do the very same things that the pagans do.

Regards

680 posted on 11/14/2007 4:15:48 AM PST by jo kus (You can't lose your faith? What about Luke 8:13...? God says you can...)
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To: jo kus
The OT especially has verses that ask God to forgive us of sins we may have commited but were unaware of them. I do not believe that sins commited ignorantly are as dangerous to the soul as the willful sins.

It seems apparent to me that God intended for us to “know” good and evil. It was the first lesson for Adam and Eve to encounter. Satan convinced Eve that it would be OK to eat the fruit, but Adam was not deceived and ate the fruit anyway. Two people committing the same sin, one in ignorance, one willfully. Both were without excuse.

I think Paul is refering to the Gentile who has a general tendency to sin, not a good person who ignorantly breaks ecclesiastical rules. I think we can determine the wicked from the decent person. The context of the verse (Romans 2:1) is written towards the Jew/Christian who is proud of their religiousity, while they do the very same things that the pagans do.

Romans 2:1 is written to “O man, whosoever thou art that judgest:” We need to learn to judge rightly, which means judging ourselves first. “For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.” If we refuse to judge others, they may take it as tacit approval. I do not envy your job.

Seven
681 posted on 11/14/2007 10:52:12 PM PST by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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