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To: DungeonMaster
You are convinced it is for re-salvation. I'm convinced it is not.

How "saved" is a person who falls into serious sin? Are they not in need of being saved (forgiven of sins) again? Isn't the point of "being saved" to free us from sins and its slavery? How saved is someone who is stuck in the slavery of adultery?

Thanks for your consideration

651 posted on 11/07/2007 4:29:05 PM PST by jo kus (You can't lose your faith? What about Luke 8:13...? God says you can...)
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To: jo kus

When we realize what Christ has done on our behalf, we want to do the things that please Him. If we love Him, the Bible says, we will keep His commandments. In other words, a person will not continue in an adulterous relationship.


654 posted on 11/07/2007 6:42:34 PM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: jo kus
How saved is someone who is stuck in the slavery of adultery?

Do you mean someone who is divorced and remarried?

655 posted on 11/07/2007 6:51:07 PM PST by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: jo kus
How "saved" is a person who falls into serious sin? Are they not in need of being saved (forgiven of sins) again? Isn't the point of "being saved" to free us from sins and its slavery? How saved is someone who is stuck in the slavery of adultery?

Savedness is not proportional to sinlessness. There is no such thing as being saved again. The point of being saved is to forgive us of our sin, past, present and future. It is to forgive us of our condition. That doesn't and never promised to remove that condition.

660 posted on 11/08/2007 5:53:59 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Al Gore, the Jessie Jackson of weather.)
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To: jo kus
How "saved" is a person who falls into serious sin? Are they not in need of being saved (forgiven of sins) again? Isn't the point of "being saved" to free us from sins and its slavery?

I would argue that the point of salvation is to give us life ... and to bring us into the fellowship of the family of God.
John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
I don't think that you will find much scripture to support that 'freedom from sin' ... is the point of salvation.

But, of course, 'freedom from sin' is a part of the package because it is typical of the life that God's family members possess.

I only make this distinction ... because I believe that it affects the perspective.

God's main desire is not to fix us.

His main desire is for us, therefore ... He fixes us.

To achieve His goal of reclaiming us as His own, God must rebirth, recreate, and reform us. Such is the task (ours and Gods') of sanctification. Having brought us into His family, God proceeds to re-parent us ... so that we become the children He desires.

But God doesn't wait until we are perfect ... before He commits to relationship with us. As soon as we are willing, God brings us into relationship with Him, and commits Himself the accomplishment of our santification.
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
So long as we desire to be with God (for God always desires to be with us) ... sanctification will succeed, no matter what the challenges.

How saved is someone who is stuck in the slavery of adultery?

Stuck ... ? Forever ... ?

Is anything too hard for God ?

663 posted on 11/08/2007 9:08:03 AM PST by Quester
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