To: Dr. Eckleburg
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." -- Romans 9:6-8 Why would anyone continue to glorify the children of the flesh when it is the children of the promise who are counted for the seed, the elect of God?Are you sure that you understand what you are quoting???
Romans 9:7 says: "Neither, because thay are the seed of Abraham are they all children, but in Isaac shall thy seed be called".
Ishmael was the child of the flesh. Isaac was the child of promise and all the 12 tribes descended from Isaac.
225 posted on
11/06/2007 1:11:49 PM PST by
Uncle Chip
(TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
To: Uncle Chip; Dr. Eckleburg
Isaac fathered Jacob and Esau. Esau is not a child of the promise. Likewise not all descendents of Israel are Israel, or in other words, the flesh prevaileth nothing, it is the Spirit that saves.
226 posted on
11/06/2007 1:19:45 PM PST by
1000 silverlings
(Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
To: Uncle Chip
The children of the flesh are not counted for the seed because no bloodlines avail us of anything. The children of the promise are all those given faith by God, from among all nations and races and bloodlines, according to His will.
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." -- Galatians 3:28
227 posted on
11/06/2007 1:35:12 PM PST by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
To: Uncle Chip; Dr. Eckleburg
Notice in Romans 9:2-4, Paul talks about his sorrow over those of his own race:
9:2-4 “I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, those of my own race, the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises.”
Why do you suppose he was in such distress if “all Israel will be saved” (as dispensationalists interpret the phrase)?
Again, just two verses later:
Romans 9:6: “It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.”
Paul was distraught over those of his own race rejecting Christ and he made the point that their bloodline didn’t make them Israel.
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