“Get the difference?”
You have to read the Bible correctly. It is called Typology. Go look at all my posts. Mary is the New Ark of the New Covenent and since Sin couldn’t touch the Old Ark neither could Sin touch the New. Thus Mary had no sin.
nside the Ark of the Old Covenant - The stone tablets of the law — the word of God inscribed on stone
Inside Mary, Ark of the New Covenant - The body of Jesus Christ — the word of God in the flesh
Inside the Ark of the Old Covenant - The urn filled with manna from the wilderness — the miraculous bread come down from heaven
Inside Mary, Ark of the New Covenant - The womb containing Jesus, the bread of life come down from heaven (John 6:41)
Inside the Ark of the Old Covenant -The rod of Aaron that budded to prove and defend the true high priest
Inside Mary, Ark of the New Covenant -The actual and eternal High Priest Jesus
Words of Martin Luther
“It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary’s soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God’s gifts, receiving a pure soul infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live she was free from all sin”
Martin Luther, Founder of the Reform, Speaks on Mary
Martin Luther had the belief of Mary’s Immaculate Conception, Luther’s words follow:
It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary’s soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God’s gifts, receiving a pure soul infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live she was free from all sin” (Sermon: “On the Day of the Conception of the Mother of God,” 1527).
Sounds like ML believe she was without Sin from Conception.
She is full of grace, proclaimed to be entirely without sin- something exceedingly great. For God’s grace fills her with everything good and makes her devoid of all evil. (Personal {”Little”} Prayer Book, 1522).
[She is the] highest woman and the noblest gem in Christianity after Christ . . . She is nobility, wisdom, and holiness personified. We can never honor her enough. Still honor and praise must be given to her in such a way as to injure neither Christ nor the Scriptures. (Sermon, Christmas, 1531).
No woman is like you. You are more than Eve or Sarah, blessed above all nobility, wisdom, and sanctity. (Sermon, Feast of the Visitation, 1537).
One should honor Mary as she herself wished and as she expressed it in the Magnificat. She praised God for his deeds. How then can we praise her? The true honor of Mary is the honor of God, the praise of God’s grace . . . Mary is nothing for the sake of herself, but for the sake of Christ . . . Mary does not wish that we come to her, but through her to God. (Explanation of the Magnificat, 1521).
Luther gives the Blessed Virgin the exalted position of “Spiritual Mother” for Christians:
It is the consolation and the superabundant goodness of God, that man is able to exult in such a treasure. Mary is his true Mother .. (Sermon, Christmas, 1522)
Mary is the Mother of Jesus and the Mother of all of us even though it was Christ alone who reposed on her knees . . . If he is ours, we ought to be in his situation; there where he is, we ought also to be and all that he has ought to be ours, and his mother is also our mother. (Sermon, Christmas, 1529).
Sermon: “On the Day of the Conception of the Mother of God,” December [?] 1527; from Hartmann Grisar, S.J., Luther, authorised translation from the German by E.M. Lamond; edited by Luigi Cappadelta, London: Kegan Paul, Trench, Trubner, first edition, 1915, Vol. IV [of 6], p. 238; taken from the German Werke, Erlangen, 1826-1868, edited by J.G. Plochmann and J.A. Irmischer, 2nd ed. edited by L. Enders, Frankfurt, 1862 ff., 67 volumes; citation from 152, p. 58)
Do you understand that foolishness like this is why we believe you guys have idols?
This kind of statement shows the perversion of scripture and how it is passed on. The entire Bible is about Christ. All of the "types" are pointing to Christ. The fact that to justify their mariology the Catholic Church has taken a type of Christ and made it a type of the "Queen of heaven" show how far they will go to preserve that heresy. The ark was a type of Christ, The mercy seat on top of it is where God met with men Mary has not the authority to hear and judge men or to give or withold mercy "The ark of the Covenant was a picture of Jesus Christ. The Acacia wood speaks of the indestructible humanity of Jesus. He was 100% man. God Himself became flesh and suffered the agonies of the human experience. He was tempted, He was weary, He thirsted, He had to learn the Scriptures and learn obedience and to hear God's voice and be led by the Spirit as a man. Not only does the Acacia wood tell us that He was 100% man but the pure gold that overlayed the wood teaches us that He was 100% God. Jesus said "unless you believe that I AM you will die in your sins." He used the same words (Heb. eheyay asher aheyay) as when the Lord spoke to Moses at the burning bush. The Jewish Messiah was none other than Jehovah Himself visiting His people and becoming their savior by dying for the sins of the world and that is the etymology of the name Jesus (Heb. Y'shua 'Yaweh has become salvation'). Jesus condemned the religious leaders for not recognizing "the day of their visitation." The crown of gold around the top of the ark speaks of the Lord Jesus Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords. Jesus overcame the onslaught of opposition that was set against Him His whole life by the religious leaders, the wealthy Jewish aristocracy, Rome itself, and even all the power of the enemy. He overcame even death itself and rose triumphantly and was given a crown, and glory, and honor, because He is the King. According to John it was Jesus who Isaiah saw seated on the throne of glory with the angels crying 'holy, holy, holy.' The unbroken tables of stone set forth Jesus as the One who perfectly kept the Law and never broke God's Commandments. The Bible says that He "committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth." Jesus felt the pressure of temptation at its full intensity yet he never sinned. Even the look in His eye and the tone of His voice reflected the very perfections of the holiness of God Himself. Aaron's rod that budded also speaks of Jesus. Something that had died and supernaturally came to life again . Jesus said, "I am the resurrection and the life." The golden pot of manna speaks of Jesus as the bread of life who came down from heaven to bring food, the Word of God, to a world in darkness and dying of hunger. It all points to Jesus. Even the golden poles speak of the ever living and ever present Savior who is with us in all our journeying and will never leave us nor forsake us. If you were to examine the history of the ark there would be striking resemblances to the ministry of Jesus our Lord: The ark went before the people - Jesus went before them: John 10:4 "And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. The ark was in the middle of God's people - Jesus is in His people: John 14:20 "At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. The people were to follow the ark - We are to follow Jesus: Luke 5:27-28 After these things He went out and saw a tax collector named Levi, sitting at the tax office. And He said to him, "Follow Me." So he left all, rose up, and followed Him. And on and on, the ark was always first to lead them. It was death to those that were enemies of God. The ark brought blessings and curses. Isa 53:2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness; and when we see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him. Isa 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. Matt 5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 1 Pet 2:22 "Who committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth"; Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, Jn 11:25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. Jn 6:32 Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Jn 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." http://www.bible-history.com/taberna...e_Covenant.htm Look For Christ not His mother , she does not save.
Sorry about the formating on the other post
This kind of statement shows the perversion of scripture and how it is passed on.
The entire Bible is about Christ. All of the “types” are pointing to Christ.
The fact that to justify their mariology the Catholic Church has taken a type of Christ and made it a type of the “Queen of heaven” show how far they will go to preserve that heresy.
The ark was a type of Christ, The mercy seat on top of it is where God met with men
Mary has not the authority to hear and judge men or to give or withold mercy
“The ark of the Covenant was a picture of Jesus Christ. The Acacia wood speaks of the indestructible humanity of Jesus.
He was 100% man. God Himself became flesh and suffered the agonies of the human experience. He was tempted, He was weary, He thirsted, He had to learn the Scriptures and learn obedience and to hear God’s voice and be led by the Spirit as a man. Not only does the Acacia wood tell us that He was 100% man but the pure gold that overlayed the wood teaches us that He was 100% God.
Jesus said “unless you believe that I AM you will die in your sins.” He used the same words (Heb. eheyay asher aheyay) as when the Lord spoke to Moses at the burning bush. The Jewish Messiah was none other than Jehovah Himself visiting His people and becoming their savior by dying for the sins of the world and that is the etymology of the name Jesus (Heb. Y’shua ‘Yaweh has become salvation’). Jesus condemned the religious leaders for not recognizing “the day of their visitation.”
The crown of gold around the top of the ark speaks of the Lord Jesus Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords. Jesus overcame the onslaught of opposition that was set against Him His whole life by the religious leaders, the wealthy Jewish aristocracy, Rome itself, and even all the power of the enemy. He overcame even death itself and rose triumphantly and was given a crown, and glory, and honor, because He is the King. According to John it was Jesus who Isaiah saw seated on the throne of glory with the angels crying ‘holy, holy, holy.’
The unbroken tables of stone set forth Jesus as the One who perfectly kept the Law and never broke God’s Commandments. The Bible says that He “committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth.” Jesus felt the pressure of temptation at its full intensity yet he never sinned. Even the look in His eye and the tone of His voice reflected the very perfections of the holiness of God Himself.
Aaron’s rod that budded also speaks of Jesus. Something that had died and supernaturally came to life again
. Jesus said, “I am the resurrection and the life.”
The golden pot of manna speaks of Jesus as the bread of life who came down from heaven to bring food, the Word of God, to a world in darkness and dying of hunger.
It all points to Jesus. Even the golden poles speak of the ever living and ever present Savior who is with us in all our journeying and will never leave us nor forsake us.
If you were to examine the history of the ark there would be striking resemblances to the ministry of Jesus our Lord:
The ark went before the people - Jesus went before them:
John 10:4 “And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice.
The ark was in the middle of God’s people -
Jesus is in His people:
John 14:20 “At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.
The people were to follow the ark - We are to follow Jesus:
Luke 5:27-28 After these things He went out and saw a tax collector named Levi, sitting at the tax office. And He said to him, “Follow Me.” So he left all, rose up, and followed Him.
And on and on, the ark was always first to lead them. It was death to those that were enemies of God. The ark brought blessings and curses.
Isa 53:2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness; and when we see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Matt 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
1 Pet 2:22 “Who committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth”;
Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
Jn 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
Jn 6:32 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven.
Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jn 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.”
http://www.bible-history.com/taberna...e_Covenant.htm
Look For Christ not His mother , she does not save.
Spiritual things are only understood by those that have the indwelling spirit. To the unsaved they are foolishness.
When looking at scripture you have to look at it in context and in light of other scriptures .This study was done by an internet friend see how she looks to Gods word to set her study
Interesting verse concerning the ARK of the Covenant: Jeremiah 4: 16 In those days, when your numbers have increased greatly in the land," declares the LORD, "men will no longer say, `The ark of the covenant of the LORD.' It will never enter their minds or be remembered; it will not be missed, nor will another one be made. 17 At that time they will call Jerusalem The Throne of the LORD, and all nations will gather in Jerusalem to honor the name of the LORD. No longer will they follow the stubbornness of their evil hearts.
It is about Jerusalem in pointing to the Throne of God where our Lord Jesus would walk in the Temple......
15:25 Take the ark of God back into the city. David reveals a true understanding of the connection between the ark and God's presence with his people. He knows that possession of the ark does not guarantee God's blessing (see notes on 1Sa 4:3,21). He also recognizes that the ark belongs in the capital city as a symbol of the Lord's rule over the nation (see note on 6:2), no matter who the king might be.
6:2 Baalah of Judah. see also Jos 15:60; 18:14; 1Sa 7:1. ark of God. See Ex 25:10-22; see also notes on 1Sa 4:3-4,21. The ark had remained at Kiriath Jearim during the reign of Saul. called by the Name. Used elsewhere to designate ownership (see 12:28; Dt 28:10; Isa 4:1; 63:19). LORD Almighty. See 1Sa 1:3. enthroned between cherubim. See 1Sa 4:4; see also 1Ch 28:2 ("footstool of our God"). David recognized the great significance of the ark as the earthly throne of Israel's God. As a true theocratic king, he wished to acknowledge the Lord's kingship and rule over both himself and the people by restoring the ark to a place of prominence in the nation.
6:7 his irreverent act. Although Uzzah's intent may have been good, he violated the clear instructions the Lord had given for handling the ark (see note on v. 3; cf. Ex 25:15; Nu 4:5-6,15; 1Ch 15:13-15; 1Sa 6:19). At this important new beginning in Israel's life with the Lord, the Lord gives a shocking and vivid reminder to David and Israel that those who claim to serve him must acknowledge his rule with absolute seriousness (see Lev 10:1-3; Jos 7:24-25; 24:19-20; Ac 5:1-1 1).
11:19 ark of his covenant. The OT ark was a chest of acacia wood (Dt 10:1-2). It symbolized the throne or presence of God among his people. It was probably destroyed when Nebuzaradan destroyed the temple in Jerusalem (2Ki 25:8-10). In the NT it symbolizes God's faithfulness in keeping covenant with his people. lightning . . . hailstorm.
We have numerous responses in the thread about Mary being a "type" of the Ark, etc. and yet we have the word of God telling us that it will not be remembered, or missed....and the Throne of the Lord is to be Jerusalem......The ARK symbolized the presence of God among His people....The presence of God is God the Son and Holy Spirit, not a person Mary......
More on the verses concerning the sign of a woman in Rev. It is not about Mary but an entire nation of Messianic believers.........
The woman is a sign, not a person and the meaning revealed to us in the Old testament....According to Joseph, the Sun, Moon and 12 stars are bowing down to Joseph? We study the OT to understand the symbols in the NT. Those that John wrote to, would have known that he was referring to the dream of Joseph.....Again, the sign and pregnancy are in heaven....
12 1 A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.
Joseph's dream in the OT,
Genesis 37: 8 His brothers said to him, "Do you intend to reign over us? Will you actually rule us?" And they hated him all the more because of his dream and what he had said.
9Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. "Listen," he said, "I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me." 10When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rebuked him and said, "What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?" 11 His brothers were jealous of him, but his father kept the matter in mind.
37:10 your mother. Jacob possibly refers to Leah, since Rachel has already died (see 35:19). bow down . . . before you. An unsettling echo of a hope expressed earlier to Jacob by his father Isaac (see 27:29).
ISRAEL Used in Scripture to designate: (1) an individual man, the son of Isaac (see JACOB); or (2) his descendants, the twelve tribes of the Hebrews; or (3) the ten northern tribes, led by the tribe of Ephraim, as opposed to the southern, under the tribe of Judah.
Genesis 27: 29 May nations serve you and peoples bow down to you. Be lord over your brothers, and may the sons of your mother bow down to you. May those who curse you be cursed and those who bless you be blessed."
The Birth referring to a nation and Zion...The references are so much more then just a reference to a single woman Mary. Again the references to birth symbols given in Isaiah concerning the nation.....
Isaiah 66: 7 "Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son. 8 Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children. 10 Writhe in agony, O Daughter of Zion, like a woman in labor, for now you must leave the city to camp in the open field. You will go to Babylon; there you will be rescued. There the LORD will redeem you out of the hand of your enemies.
12:1 sign. An extraordinary spectacle or event that points beyond itself (cf. Lk 21:11,25; Ac 2:19). a woman clothed with the sun. Probably a symbolic reference to the believing Messianic community (see v. 5). twelve stars. Cf. the 12 tribes of Israel.
12:2 cried out in pain. Cf. the similar language describing the rebirth of Jerusalem in Isa 66:7 (see Mic 4:10).
12:3 red dragon. Identified in v. 9 (cf. 20:2). Dragons abound in the mythology of ancient peoples (Leviathan in Canaanite lore and Set-Typhon, the red crocodile, in Egypt). In the OT they are normally used metaphorically to depict the enemies of God and of Israel (see Ps 74:14; Isa 27:1; Eze 29:3). seven heads. Symbolizing universal wisdom (cf. 13:1). ten horns. Symbolizing great power.
12:5 a son, a male child. The Messiah. iron scepter. See note on 2:27. snatched up to God. The ascension of Christ.
12:6 desert. Not a wasteland but a place of spiritual refuge (cf. Hos 2:14). 1,260 days. The time of spiritual protection corresponds to the time of persecution (see note on 11:2; cf. 13:5).
12:7 Michael. An archangel who defeats Satan in heavenly warfare. In Da 12:1 he is the protector of Israel who will deliver her from tribulation in the last days.
12:9 dragon was hurled . . . to the earth. Not the original casting of Satan out of heaven, but his final exclusion--an explanation of his intense hostility against God's people in the last days (vv. 12-17). devil, or Satan. See notes on 2:9-10. leads . . . astray. Cf. 2Co 11:3; see also Lk 22:31; Jn 13:2.
12:10 accuser. See Job 1:9-11; Zec 3:1. Satan in Hebrew means "accuser."
12:12 his time is short. The period of final, intense hostility of Satan toward the people of God.
12:13-16 Cf. the similarity to the exodus. 12:14 desert. See note on v. 6. a time, times and half a time. One year plus two years plus half a year (see note on 11:2).
12:16 earth helped . . . by opening its mouth. In Nu 16:30-33 the earth opened and swallowed Korah's men.
12:17 rest of her offspring. Believers in general as contrasted with Christ, the male child of vv. 5,13. testimony of Jesus. The testimony that Jesus bore (cf. 1:2,9; 19:10).
The events occuring in this section of Rev. have nothing to do with Mary but the nation of Isreal.....