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To: frogjerk

Interesting. Since it is about God’s redeeming love through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, who was born without sin SPECIFICALLY for that purpose, the passage clearly refers to ALL of mankind (and womankind), in my religion. I am a Bible-believing Christian, and yes, I do believe *exactly* what the verse says—the Word of God (Jesus) says that all men and women are sinners and need saving. Not just a few scattered here and there, and no exceptions, but ALL. Moses and Elijah and Mary as well, in my beliefs. :-)


558 posted on 10/26/2007 3:06:33 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom and proud RUSH REPUBLICAN! WIN, FRED, WIN!!!)
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To: pillut48
Interesting. Since it is about God’s redeeming love through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, who was born without sin SPECIFICALLY for that purpose, the passage clearly refers to ALL of mankind (and womankind), in my religion. I am a Bible-believing Christian, and yes, I do believe *exactly* what the verse says—the Word of God (Jesus) says that all men and women are sinners and need saving. Not just a few scattered here and there, and no exceptions, but ALL. Moses and Elijah and Mary as well, in my beliefs. :-)

Jesus loves his Mother with his whole heart. Mary's savior is her son Jesus, the Christ, who kept her from the stain of original sin. A belief since the early Church Fathers.

The Ascension of Isaiah

"[T]he report concerning the child was noised abroad in Bethlehem. Some said, ‘The Virgin Mary has given birth before she was married two months.’ And many said, ‘She has not given birth; the midwife has not gone up to her, and we heard no cries of pain’" (Ascension of Isaiah 11 [A.D. 70]).

The Odes of Solomon

"So the Virgin became a mother with great mercies. And she labored and bore the Son, but without pain, because it did not occur without purpose. And she did not seek a midwife, because he caused her to give life. She bore as a strong man, with will . . . " (Odes of Solomon 19 [A.D. 80]).

St. Ambrose

"Come, then, and search out your sheep, not through your servants or hired men, but do it yourself. Lift me up bodily and in the flesh, which is fallen in Adam. Lift me up not from Sarah but from Mary, a virgin not only undefiled, but a virgin whom grace had made inviolate, free of every stain of sin" (Commentary on Psalm 118:22–30 [A.D. 387]).

St. Augustine

"Having excepted the holy Virgin Mary, concerning whom, on account of the honor of the Lord, I wish to have absolutely no question when treating of sins—for how do we know what abundance of grace for the total overcoming of sin was conferred upon her, who merited to conceive and bear him in whom there was no sin?—so, I say, with the exception of the Virgin, if we could have gathered together all those holy men and women, when they were living here, and had asked them whether they were without sin, what do we suppose would have been their answer?" (Nature and Grace 36:42 [A.D. 415]).

Hail Mary, Full of Grace! What a wonderful gift to His Mother!

642 posted on 10/26/2007 6:27:56 PM PDT by frogjerk
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