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To: Secret Agent Man
As we have Christ as our one true mediator, there really is no need to ... We ask other living Christians on the earth with us right now to pray for us if we want to, because we see examples of this and we see where there is instruction to do so

In other words, you ask for intercessory prayer because you see it being done in the Scriptures, but it nevertheless contradicts your theology.

Christ can be our mediator and we can pray to Him because He is ALIVE. He died, and was risen to life immortal. We do not pray to a dead person when we pray to Christ!

Again, the bottom line is that you don't really believe that the dead in Christ are as alive as he is, even though he says they are.

51 posted on 10/25/2007 12:44:50 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion

Wow, you really need some help untwisting Scripture.

Your first point is just babble. I am saying there is no need to pray to departed (dead) christians who will then shuttle my request to Christ for me, because I can pray directly to Christ. You are incorrectly equating praying to a dead Christian to pray for you or send your prayer up to God for you, with asking a Christian who is alive on the earth that you can talk to and ask to pray for you. They are not the same thing. Unfortunately you don’t realize this. There is no violation. The body of Christ on earth can help each other while on the earth. If you get there’s a disconnect in the ability of a dead human being to help living human beings still on the earth, you really don’t get a very simple concept.

Second point you are distorting what it means to be ‘absent from the body, present with the Lord.” They are in heaven right now, but they have not been resurrected yet, like Christ has. They have not yet received their immortal bodies yet, like Christ has. And forgive me, but they do not have the same powers of Christ. They are not God nor will any of us ever be God. Just because they are alive in heaven does not mean you can say that they can intercede for us.

You still cannot admit there is ONE mediator, Jesus Christ. We need no other. We don’t have to ask anyone else in heaven to do anything for us. They cannot do anything for us anyway.


61 posted on 10/25/2007 1:08:10 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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