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To: ears_to_hear; Campion
My dear, you answered your own question at #115.

"Only Christ is sinless on his own account. Mary was rendered sinless on account of a prevenient action of God, applying Christ's future merits and perfection to her. Mary did no work to make her a sinless vehicle for God-in-the-flesh. It was purely on account of God's grace, and the work of Christ, that Mary was made sinless." (1) if your meaning is "sinless on their own account, the answer is: only Christ.

(2) if your meaning us "sinless by the work of Christ, not by innate righteousness but in order to be equipped for the unique role of being mother of our Savior," the answer is: only Mary.

Note that Mary, while free of in, is still "short of the glory of God." So her righteousness is entirely derivative, and is not symmetrical or commensurate with His. It is, as has been poetically expressed, like the reflected brightness of the moon in relation to the self-generated brightness of the sun.

431 posted on 10/26/2007 11:59:35 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o; ears_to_hear; Campion
Keep parsing.

You will soon achieve the Bill Clinton award.


432 posted on 10/26/2007 12:02:27 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; ears_to_hear
Mary was not "free of sin."

That's a fable concocted to take your eyes off the one and only Redeemer, Jesus Christ.

437 posted on 10/26/2007 12:11:47 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Only Christ is sinless on his own account.Mary was rendered sinless on account of a prevenient action of God, applying Christ's future merits and perfection to her. Mary did no work to make her a sinless vehicle for God-in-the-flesh. It was purely on account of God's grace, and the work of Christ, that Mary was made sinless." (1) if your meaning is "sinless on their own account, the answer is: only Chr

She was only treated as all the elect are, their sins are not counted against them. When God looks at me He sees me as sinless, as he has removed my sins as far as the east is from the west and He sees them no more. The old testament saints were rendered sinless looking to the cross in anticipation of the work of Christ.

Mary, like them and us was a sinner that needed the grace of God.

Note that Mary, while free of in, is still "short of the glory of God." So her righteousness is entirely derivative,

As is my righteousness and the righteousness of all the saved

and is not symmetrical or commensurate with His. It is, as has been poetically expressed, like the reflected brightness of the moon in relation to the self-generated brightness of the sun.

Why is it important to you to have a sinless Mary?

478 posted on 10/26/2007 1:48:33 PM PDT by ears_to_hear (Pray for America)
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