Posted on 10/25/2007 9:24:05 AM PDT by NYer
The Other Christ: Padre Pio and 19th Century Italy, by the historian Sergio Luzzatto, draws on a document found in the Vatican's archive.
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The document reveals the testimony of a pharmacist who said that the young Padre Pio bought four grams of carbolic acid in 1919.
"I was an admirer of Padre Pio and I met him for the first time on 31 July 1919," wrote Maria De Vito.
She claimed to have spent a month with the priest in the southern town of San Giovanni Rotondo, seeing him often.
"Padre Pio called me to him in complete secrecy and telling me not to tell his fellow brothers, he gave me personally an empty bottle, and asked if I would act as a chauffeur to transport it back from Foggia to San Giovanni Rotondo with four grams of pure carbolic acid.
"He explained that the acid was for disinfecting syringes for injections. He also asked for other things, such as Valda pastilles."
The testimony was originally presented to the Vatican by the Archbishop of Manfredonia, Pasquale Gagliardi, as proof that Padre Pio caused his own stigmata with acid.
It was examined by the Holy See during the beatification process of Padre Pio and apparently dismissed.
Padre Pio, whose real name was Francesco Forgione, died in 1968. He was made a saint in 2002. A recent survey in Italy showed that more people prayed to him than to Jesus or the Virgin Mary. He exhibited stigmata throughout his life, starting in 1911.
The new allegations were greeted with an instant dismissal from his supporters. The Catholic Anti-Defamation League said Mr Luzzatto was a liar and was "spreading anti-Catholic libels".
Pietro Siffi, the president of the League, said: "We would like to remind Mr Luzzatto that according to Catholic doctrine, canonisation carries with it papal infallibility.
"We would like to suggest to Mr Luzzatto that he dedicates his energies to studying religion properly."
Amen !Wide is the road to destruction and narrow is the road to salvation
NAsbU Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the
way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
The sin of Adam corrupted all men's nature. It is very much a "thing"
You can call Adam's sin a thing if you wish.
You don't inherit Adam's sin, you "inherit" the consequences of Adam's sin. Specifically, your parents are unable to communicate to you sanctifying grace -- the indwelling life of the Blessed Trinity -- through the natural generation process.
Had Adam not sinned, they would have been able to do that.
There are other things that you inherit, but most of them are absences of things you should have inherited. Death is the absence of immortality. Concupiscence (tendency to sin) is the absence of the wisdom and strength of will to properly resist and understand sin. And so on.
Adam didn't "give" you anything. He squandered your inheritance. If your great-grandfather squanders your inheritance, does your father transmit poverty to you?
Am I mistaken that you cuold have included me in this post to Dr. E? Is it not so that you are referring to my post about reading my mind?
I have no intention of getting you zotted. But I do think you would want to abide by the FR religion forum rules of conduct and not tell others what they accept and what they reject when you can’t know. You wouldn’t be zotted, anyway—but it’s possible you would have been given a reminder of the rules, in case you didn’t recall them at the time of your post.
As for me, I HAVE “come to know the Savior of the world”. How could anyone else assume that I haven’t?
God alone can judge who is “of the world” and “of the pirit” and to whom He has given understanding.
LOL. If so, on that we would agree.
(Hint: look up the meaning of "fulsome." You're not alone. Most people get it wrong. In this case, however, you're probably closer to the truth.)
ROE: you need to spellcheck before posting.
Nobody should pray for anyone else. People should pray for themselves. After all, they can go directly to Jesus, can't they?
If we pray for other people, we're setting ourselves up as mediators in addition to Christ, and that's blasphemy.
We've been told that over and over again.
Bye, y’all.
Keep the faith and remember me in pryaer.
I knew exactly what the word meant when I wrote it; there's no need for you to condescend.
I believe the answer was in today's Gospel, ROE. God bless.
We've been told that over and over again.
NAU Acts 8:24 But Simon answered and said, "Pray to the Lord for me yourselves, so that nothing of what you have said may come upon me."How do you read what Peter said:
We inherit Adam's entire nature which is God-denying, God-fleeing.
Remember, God didn't put Adam and Eve's children back into the Garden of Eden for a second chance to see if they could do better.
Because they couldn't.
We all bear the disobedient nature of our first Father which can only be forgiven by Christ on the cross.
"But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. " -- Isaiah 53:5
The fallen human nature that is passed from Adam to all men is not just an absence of good; it is a real propensity and desire for sin. And the only thing that cleanses our hearts of this is God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
"for whatsoever is not of faith is sin." -- Romans 14:23
Not so much. Correct. Affirmative AND 10-4.
So that means there are two sorts of knowledge, that for which we can pray to IHS and that for which we ought not to pray to IHS. So now how do we distinguish between those sorts of knowledge for which we should pray and those for which we should not pray. Unless I misunderstood, you were defending the thesis that we ought not to pray to Jesus for knowledge about Mary's, well, stuff.
I Googled "saints lottery tickets" and got St Paul of Minnesota so I guess he's it.
THANK YOU!
Okay, acolytes, prepare the blue fire. Bring that goat over here and sharpen this knife.We now return you to your regularly scheduled donnybrook.O Great and Terrible Paul of even greater and more terrible Minnesota: If you will not, of your, like, toadally awesome powers, grant me a winning Mega Millions ticket, how about at least a scratcher, okay? I offer you the beard of this goat! (Phew, smells bad, don't it?)
Okay, you pathetic po' folk, I'm outta here! James, go warm up the Rolls.
(re the heresies and Gnocchi, I mean Gnoscticism paragraph) First that comes down to don't trust Him. But second, it's not like what whoever it was was being asked to pray for was a brand-new field of information. We claim, rightly or wrongly, to have a tradition with very early roots and centuries of flowstone and unfolding. And it shouldn't be news that an argument that Scripture has it all isn't a top seller in the Catholic crowd.
So from our POV, there is the "The Bible don't say it, so leave it alone" door and the "The traditions of the Church AND the Bible have between them come up with an extensive bunch o' stuff about Mary" door. And the answer to a prayer, who knows, He's not a TAME Lion, might be an encounter with a new or newly phrased discourse on the question, or a new text, or a new way to look at it. People's ideas and convictions arise in such a multitude of ways. "Feelings" and experiences by no means exhaust the possible answers.
And that will go, I think, to the next paragraph ending "That is Gnosticism."
Why do you need a miracle?
In the Words of Blessed Ronnie of Santa Barbara, "There you [all] go again." Who said anything about NEED? Why does an assertion that there ARE miracles all over the place get treated like a statement of need?
Mary MUST be a virgin; I NEED a miracle ... What is this? I think she IS a virgin still and I think there ARE unnoticed miracles all over the shop. Why did God make the Leviathan (Ps 104)? For kicks, evidently. I don't know why He does miracles. I'm just glad I get to see some of 'em and enjoy them.
Look when the then future Sgt York walked into that Nazarene or whatever it was chapel and gave his life to Jesus, now that there was a miracle. And when he courageously followed where he thought his faith led to claim he had to be a conscientious objector -- miracle again. Such beautiful sincerity comes from God, I think. And when he thought it through and took out all those Huns (including, no doubt relatives of mine, though Grandpop was already in New York) yet another wonderful act of God.
If the sun really did Dance at Fatima, that's cool and it's a great way for God to say, "Listen up, y'all, I really MEAN this." (But neither will they listen if one were to be brought back from the dead.) But when a proud young man admits that he did wrong and says, with the penitence of the blessed and not that of the damned, as Calvin would say,"I did wrong, and I'm sorry," THAT is a miracle.
I don't know. Maybe we ALL need miracles.
We are to pray for the lives and faith and peace of our brothers and sisters who are alive on earth.
Those who have already died are either in heaven or hell, and ended up there at the moment of their death. There's no second chance.
We are to pray to the Triune God alone.
FOR/TO.
Do you believe in original sin?
I believe it was ears_to_hear who contacted me when we developed the forum and the rules.
I knew exactly what the word meant when I wrote it
So you're saying Augustine's prayer was "insincere?"
The definition of fulsome is: "disgusting or offensive, esp. because excessive or insincere, as 'fulsome praise.'"
You don't want "fulsome praise." It is, by defintion, insincere and offensive.
And I sure wouldn't want my prayers to be labeled as "fulsome."
FWIW, I thanked the person who corrected me on this so I never had to make that mistake again.
It is heart surgery :)
I know that. But the fact that they did something under the law is no reason to stop doing something similar under the new covenant. We did "Churching" when the 'orrible brat child was born, and the boss-lady (behind whom I stand) loved it. I either smiled of wept, or both. (We'd wanted a child for a long time and almost given up hope. In that nasty Old Covenant it says He makes the barren woman a joyful mother of children, and it came to pass.
There was a very fine article in the New Yorker a gazillion years ago wherein a scarcely practicing Jew did the Mikvah - and she LOVED it. Sweeter then honey in the comb.
I bathe daily. When I had sheep, sometimes more than daily. I don't think the body, albeit fallen, is wicked.
I guess it would be good to look at the actual rite and ceremonies of churching women. That might give a better sense of whether it was all about how unclean it was to give birth.
Anybody got any leads?
But you always cover again and again with lovingkindness.Thank you for covering that again,
I know you have covered that many times before.
Yep. Transplant heart surgery.
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