Posted on 10/25/2007 9:24:05 AM PDT by NYer
The Other Christ: Padre Pio and 19th Century Italy, by the historian Sergio Luzzatto, draws on a document found in the Vatican's archive.
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The document reveals the testimony of a pharmacist who said that the young Padre Pio bought four grams of carbolic acid in 1919.
"I was an admirer of Padre Pio and I met him for the first time on 31 July 1919," wrote Maria De Vito.
She claimed to have spent a month with the priest in the southern town of San Giovanni Rotondo, seeing him often.
"Padre Pio called me to him in complete secrecy and telling me not to tell his fellow brothers, he gave me personally an empty bottle, and asked if I would act as a chauffeur to transport it back from Foggia to San Giovanni Rotondo with four grams of pure carbolic acid.
"He explained that the acid was for disinfecting syringes for injections. He also asked for other things, such as Valda pastilles."
The testimony was originally presented to the Vatican by the Archbishop of Manfredonia, Pasquale Gagliardi, as proof that Padre Pio caused his own stigmata with acid.
It was examined by the Holy See during the beatification process of Padre Pio and apparently dismissed.
Padre Pio, whose real name was Francesco Forgione, died in 1968. He was made a saint in 2002. A recent survey in Italy showed that more people prayed to him than to Jesus or the Virgin Mary. He exhibited stigmata throughout his life, starting in 1911.
The new allegations were greeted with an instant dismissal from his supporters. The Catholic Anti-Defamation League said Mr Luzzatto was a liar and was "spreading anti-Catholic libels".
Pietro Siffi, the president of the League, said: "We would like to remind Mr Luzzatto that according to Catholic doctrine, canonisation carries with it papal infallibility.
"We would like to suggest to Mr Luzzatto that he dedicates his energies to studying religion properly."
One. Not two...or 202.
One God.
One mediator.
Now understand it in the context of the mediation Paul commands in the preceding verses.
You can't, because it doesn't fit in your "me and Jesus, and I'm just an acquitted criminal, a 'snow-covered dungheap'" reformation theology.
Praying to dead people is corpse-worship.
The RCC just keeps racking up the errors.
My bad. :-)
There are no dead people in heaven. "God is not the god of the dead, but of the living" -- Mt 22:32.
The RCC just keeps racking up the errors.
And you just keep ripping one scripture after another out of context. You guys don't really bother to understand the Bible; if a verse isn't useful for trashing the Papist scum you hate so completely, you ignore it.
Oh, okay! I’ve heard of the Catechism, but I’ve never seen it referenced like that. Thanks.
Calm down, Campion. Just because RCC doctrine cannot be supported by Scripture you needn't lash out at me. Return to the Bible and learn the truth for yourself.
One God. One mediator. Saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
Psalm 45:9
Daughters of kings are among your honored women; at your right hand is the Queen in gold of Ophir.
(An Old Testament type)
Nor is this one a pagan goddess:
Revelation 12:1
A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the
(A New Testament sign)
Immediately before the sign at Rev 12:1.we have yet another sign at Rev. 11:19
Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant.
There is someone who is the living Ark, who had within her the Holy One of Israel.
I believe we're in agreement here.
I will certainly pray for you, my dear. Please keep us informed how it turns out. Medical stuuff can be an awful anxiety-generator, but I pray that you will be at peace.
Perhaps you need to turn down the contrast on your computer screen. (And for future reference, if and when I use the word "papist," I don't capitalize it.)
Take a step back and try to figure out why you would prefer to pray to a dead human being than to the Almighty God of all creation.
Is He too busy to hear you? Too unconcerned? Distracted? Indifferent?
Do you think you'll get more traction from a dead human being than from the Creator of heaven and earth?
Do you think if you buddy-up to some dead guy he will plead your case to God better than you can?
Or maybe the RCC's pyramid scheme is just that -- a house of cards which will collapse because it is not grounded on God alone, but on men and magick and mysticism and magisteriums and mayhem.
Three persons in one that is what I asked
There is one and only one God. God eternally exists in three distinct persons.
The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God.
The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Father, the Father is not the Spirit, etc.
Champion, did the Father suffer and die on the cross for your sins?
Yes, the Bible tells me that Christ founded a Church, against which the gates of hell shall not prevail; that he entrusted this Church to Peter, to whom he gave the keys of the Kingdom; that He gave to us His Body and Blood, and that He instructed His disciples to continue to celebrate the Eucharist; and that He gave His disciples to power to forgive sins. That's how I read the Bible, and you can't tell me I'm wrong, since you just told Campion it was up to him to read the Bible and find the truth for himself.
Of course, I'm not alone in reading my Bible this way. That's how every Christian read the Bible until the 16th century, and that's why every church tracing its origin to the Apostles--the Roman Catholic Church and the 22 Eastern Rite Churches in communion with it, the Eastern Orthodox Churches, and the Oriental Orthodox Churches--has a priesthood and celebrates the Eucharist. All these churches also venerate Mary and the saints.
No one believed what you believe until some Frenchman moved to Switzerland and set up his own little theocracy in Geneva. Now you're free to believe that all the Christians before Calvin got it wrong, but that belief is neither rational nor in accord with Scripture, given Christ's promises to Peter beginning at Matthew 16:18.
God does not instruct us to pray to anyone in heaven other than the Triune God.
I disagree. jesus got His human nature from his mother, He was 100% divine because He was God, He was 100% man because of Mary.
It is taught that original sin passes from the father to the child, not the mother. Jesus had a sinless God as His Father. We are told it passed through Adam not Eve,
Please read St Thomas Aquinas on this
http://books.google.com/books?id=d-TKgDbTDlYC&pg=PA25&lpg=PA25&dq=original+sin+passed+from+the+father&source=web&ots=ZSSQMQ81rX&sig=50cy-iFowMKe6O0VIefIGwIbSo4#PPA5,M1
He believed and taught that original sin is passed on by the fathers semen.
I do not know about its presence in the semen, but scripture always speaks of the sin of the fathers and never the mothers. There was no need for Mary to be sinless.
“(Poor Jesus, forcibly extracted from the Trinity, estranged from his mother, surrounded by a bunch of dead people.)”
Oh, C, that is tooooooooooooooooo good! :)
“...the first pontiff of the roman church at Nicea.”
Who?
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