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To: topcat54
Where does it say "after Jesus shows up again"?

Right here...

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

This is clearly AFTER the times of the Gentiles has been fulfilled...

that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.

Pretty simple stuff here...Israel is partially blinded while God is dealing with the Gentiles...

When God is done dealing with the Gentiles, the Deliverer will show up and the blindness will be lifted from Israel

And then what???

Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

That's the restoration of Israel...

I can't imagine how you and others can't see it, unless you have been blinded as well...

798 posted on 11/01/2007 11:50:02 AM PDT by Iscool (What if Jesus meant everything that He said...)
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To: Iscool
This is clearly AFTER the times of the Gentiles has been fulfilled...

Of course it does not say that at all. In fact we know the Deliverer has come to Israel.

21 And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins." 22 So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: 23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."
So Romans 11 does not say that at all, unless you want to deny that either a) Jesus came in the flesh and redeemed Israel, or that b) the people living in Jerusalem and Judea in those days were not "Israel".

You’re reading your own chronology into the Romans 11 passage when there really is no chronology as you have suggested.

All it says, plainly, is that there is a partial hardening of Israel, that this hardening will continue until "fullness of the Gentiles has come in", and that all Israel will be saved.

I’m sure in your heart of heart you want it to say thus and so, but many faulty interpretations happen by reading to much into the text, like our own biases.

I can't imagine how you and others can't see it, unless you have been blinded as well...

Nope, we just don’t read the same dispensational books or listen to the same guys on TV.

805 posted on 11/01/2007 12:09:47 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends listen to dispensationalists.")
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To: Iscool; topcat54

***Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

That’s the restoration of Israel...

I can’t imagine how you and others can’t see it, unless you have been blinded as well...***

I encourage you to look at the Lamb of God who has ALREADY taken away the sins of the world. Have you missed the Incarnation of the living God?

Why does your Eschatology center around a group of men in the desert instead of having your Eschatology center aroung the Creator and Redeemer of the universe?


807 posted on 11/01/2007 12:12:05 PM PDT by Lord_Calvinus
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