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To: Uncle Chip; Lord_Calvinus
then after this Jesus would return to rebuild Jerusalem

Actually, it does not say that at all. James was quoting directly from the Old Testament. The OT uses the phrase "after this". James is interpreting the OT prophecy (correctly) by applying it to Jesus Christ (the true Tabernacle, cf. John 1:14), and saying that since the "tabernacle has been rebuilt" (Christ raised from the dead) the result would be that many gentiles are called into the kingdom. And that is precisely what was happening in the first century and from then on.

So the phrase "after this" is from the perspective of the OT prophet. The fulfillment is in Jesus Christ and the calling of the gentiles into His kingdom

There is no futurism in Acts 15. There is no rebuilding of earthly Jerusalem anywhere in the NT. In fact we are told that those who long for and look for earthly Jerusalem are the children of Hagar, not the children of promise "The Jerusalem above is free." (Gal. 4).

763 posted on 11/01/2007 6:19:47 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends listen to dispensationalists.")
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To: topcat54; Uncle Chip; All
There is no rebuilding of earthly Jerusalem anywhere in the NT.

PREPOSTEROUSLY AND OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG.

I don't have time to track down all the NT refs . . . I will content myself with another note from Walvoord reffing the OT and mentioning many other (including NT) refs. p333 EVERY PROPHECY IN THE BIBLE

Zechariah 14:9-21. The millenial kingdom will be distinguished by the fact that the Lord, Jesus Christ as the Messiah of Israel and King of kings will rule over the entire earth (v. 9). Included in the topographical changes will be the elevation [literal] of Jerusalem as described in verse 10. From that day forward Jerusalem will be secure and never be destroyed again.

An indication of the rule of Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords is that He will judge the nations that fought against Jerusalem (vv. 12-13). A plague will seize man and beast alike, but in the results a great quantity of gold, silver, and clothing will accrue to Israel's benefit (v14).

Those who survive the purging judgments at the beginning of the millenial kingdom will be required to worship Christ annually (v. 16). If they do not worship Him as commanded, God will hold their rain (vv. 17-19). It will be a time when the holiness of God is especially revealed, and false elements like the Canaanites will be shut out (vv. 20-21). The partial revelation of the nature of the millenial kingdom as described here was amplified in many other Scriptures in both the Old and New Testaments.

ibid p 106

Isaiah 32:1-20. Israel will have 'a King' who 'will reign in righteousness and rulers will rule with justice' (v. 1). Isaiah predicted that Israel at that time would listen to His exhortation (vv. 2-8). Israel was promised severe judgment from God but ultimate restoration and deliverance (vv. 9-20). The passage concluded, 'how blessed you will be, sowing your seed by every stream, and letting your cattle and donkeys range free' (v. 20). This will be fulfilled in the Millenium (Jer. 23:5-8; Rev. 19:11-15).

To be continued.

766 posted on 11/01/2007 6:43:22 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: topcat54; Quix
There is no futurism in Acts 15.

Except for these words:

"After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up" [Acts 15]

There is no rebuilding of earthly Jerusalem anywhere in the NT

Except for these words:

"After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up"[Acts 15]

In fact we are told that those who long for and look for earthly Jerusalem are the children of Hagar, not the children of promise "The Jerusalem above is free." (Gal. 4).

It doesn't say that at all, Here it is:

For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all." [Galatians 4]

The Jerusalem in that day was in bondage, not the Jerusalem that they looked for and longed for and that Jesus promised that He would return to, and restore, and rebuild, and place his throne.

Once again your explanations bear no resemblance to the text.

767 posted on 11/01/2007 6:46:44 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: topcat54; Uncle Chip; Dr. Eckleburg

You are exactly right. James is explaining how the OT prophecy mentioned in Acts 15 was already being fulfilled.

And after they had become silent, James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me: Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:

And, since it is the Gentiles and the rest of mankind that were AT THAT MOMENT already seeking the Lord as testified by Peter we also know that the fulfillment of the rebuilding of the tabernacle had ALREADY been accomplished. The prophecy makes it clear that the gentiles seeking God would happen after the tabernacle was rebuilt.

Now, what event had recently happened which would have been the fulfillment of the rebuilding of the tabernacle? Let’s see if the dispies can figure it out.

BTW, Chip, you are still using circular logic in Acts 3 concering the times of restoration of all things. And, you still haven’t explained how the restoration of all things really doesn’t mean the restoration of all things. As Quix likes to claim: are you having trouble with the literal meaning of things?


768 posted on 11/01/2007 6:53:32 AM PDT by Lord_Calvinus
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To: topcat54
This has been covered already, but it bears repeating...

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.

The fullness of the Gentiles has not yet been fulfilled...

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

This is after Jesus shows up again...Has it been fulfilled??? Of course not...

Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

This is a third covenant...

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

When God is done with the Gentiles, he will turn again to Israel...

795 posted on 11/01/2007 10:59:44 AM PDT by Iscool (What if Jesus meant everything that He said...)
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