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To: ELS
No. B-Chan wrote that the regularly scheduled confession time was not convenient for him. I was suggesting other ways he could go to confession. Receiving the Sacrament of Penance is not the same thing as getting "access to God."

I realize that's what yuor church teaches, but the scripture teaches that absolution comes directly from God to the sinner, any time, 24/7...No mediator...No priest...

You want to pray to God, get your sins forgiven, walk thru that vail right up to the Throne and petition God directly...It's a done deal...We all have access...

19 posted on 10/24/2007 9:32:01 AM PDT by Iscool (What if Jesus meant everything that He said...)
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22 posted on 10/24/2007 9:38:21 AM PDT by Iscool (What if Jesus meant everything that He said...)
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To: Iscool; ELS
I realize that's what yuor church teaches, but the scripture teaches that absolution comes directly from God to the sinner, any time, 24/7...No mediator...No priest...

According to Scripture

"And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; [and] whose soever [sins] ye retain, they are retained." - John 20:22-23

Scripture is very clear on this.

In John 20:21, before He grants them the authority to forgive sins, Jesus says to the apostles, "as the Father sent me, so I send you." As Christ was sent by the Father to forgive sins, so Christ sends the apostles and their successors forgive sins.

In John 20:22, the Lord "breathes" on the apostles, and then gives them the power to forgive and retain sins. The only other moment in Scripture where God breathes on man is in Gen. 2:7, when the Lord "breathes" divine life into man. When this happens, a significant transformation takes place.

In John 20:23, Jesus says, "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven. If you retain the sins of any, they are retained." In order for the apostles to exercise this gift of forgiving sins, the penitents must orally confess their sins to them because the apostles are not mind readers. The text makes this very clear.

But you know all this, dear friend, because you have read the Bible. And you have also read the posts from other freepers on the forum, defending Scripture. Why do you still pursue a false argument?

32 posted on 10/24/2007 6:00:23 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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