Well..., as of this moment, the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are on Double Secret Excommunication!
Posted on 10/20/2007 7:18:24 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
Well, the “Sisters” finally speak. After receiving Holy Communion from Roman Catholic Archbishop George H. Niederauer on October, 6, 2007 at Most Holy Redeemer Church in San Francisco, the cross-dressing Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence issued a statement on October 17, 2007. See: KNTV news story. They must have been tired of being upstaged by the fury directed at the archbishop. The highlights are as follow:
“While at Mass the Sisters joined other parishioners in respectful and sincere worship and received Communion from the Archbishop.” Somebody might want to inform the “Sisters” that one doesn’t respect by dressing as drag queen nuns at a Catholic liturgy.
Referring to the numerous critics of their performance at the Mass at Most Holy Redeemer parish “These forces have been critical of Most Holy Redeemer for their welcoming approach to the diverse community they serve and have frequently seen fit to attack the parishioners as part of a larger campaign against ‘San Francisco values.’” This should show people what living in the San Francisco Bay Area is really like. We don’t worry about “Catholic values” around here. We worry about “San Francisco values”. These terms are in no way synonymous.
The Sisters’ missive continues, “Our hearts go out to the parishioners of Most Holy Redeemer and to the Archbishop who have been unfairly stigmatized by these disingenuous campaigns for doing nothing more than following the welcoming teachings of Christ and administering Communion in keeping with the teachings of the Second Vatican Council.”
We must have missed the part where Vatican II instructed that drag queens be admitted to Holy Communion. In which document would that be in? There’s just something funny about drag queen nuns informing the public of Catholic teaching on Holy Communion. They’ve missed the boat on all other Catholic teachings but we are now supposed to get our theology from them? They might want to take a look at Canon Law – canon 915 to be exact. In his public apology, Archbishop Niederauer said that he should have never given these “persons” (It would be great if he’d say men) Holy Communion. Are they really now going to argue with a man they are defending?
The letter goes on “…the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence do not ‘mock nuns’ but live ‘as nuns,’ taking vows that affirm the traditional compassionate and justice-seeking ministries of religious women, extending their reach beyond the convent walls to those most in need.”
This one is just plain hard to read without laughing. Where do you start? Men can’t be nuns. Nuns aren’t homosexual men who dress with white faces, feather boas and bizarre looking nun costumes. Are we to believe that the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are living chaste lives full of heroic virtue? I’m afraid that wearing the color black and veils might be the only possible way to draw a parallel.
The statement rambles on a bit more and goes onto shed light on the unholy union between the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence and Most Holy Redeemer Church. What were the “Sisters” expecting when they approached the Archbishop for Holy Communion? They knew quite well what the results of this stunt would be. Unfortunately for them, it seems that they might have gone one heresy too far. Even non-Catholics are starting to get angry about this one. They are possibly getting the picture that they might be next.
Sorry ... Just watched part of 'Holy Grail' the other night and thought of Brother Mainard and the Holy Hand Grenade.
Fact is RCism is as splintered as it comes, and has been for a very long time.
On this issue and event there is no disagreement. I've yet to hear anyone speak in defense of the SPI. And your thesis can't be supported by an anomolie in San Francisco of all places. The exception doesn't make the rule.
This is not an exception.
Nor an anamolie either.
True, the homosexual transvestite denomination has yet to sweep the RCC, but you have to admit that the abortion denomination, the homosexual priest denomination, the anti-semite denomination, the pedophile denomination, the female priest denomination, all make it difficult to suggest that everyone is on the same page. All the love shown brother Romans, Bishop Mahony, Kennedy, Pelosi, even Guiliani, on this site shows that division is a major problem within that church.
WHEN and IF any that stray from what Rome says gets booted, as it happened during the Reformation, so that only those conservative RCC’ers such as yourself are left in that church, only then could you suggest it is a monolithic monument, and even then, like everywhere else, you’d find something to divide on.
One small problem my friend. It is called “Ipso Facto Excommunication”. Just because those mentioned in your post call themselves “Catholic” doesn’t mean they actually ARE any more than me calling myself a “donut” makes me one. Capish? The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church still IS.
The Judas denomination was obviously "not the same page" with the John denomination, nor with the Peter denomination, nor with the Paul denomination. Nor was the Simon Magus denomination, nor was the Ananias and Sapphira denomination.
So what's your point? That nothing has changed since NT times? Okay. We're good with that.
Not at all. The "denominations" you list are such a paltry segment of the Church, if they exist at all, that they are inconsequential. They make for wonderful headlines and scandalous stories, but repetition and/or shock value are no substitutes for actual percentages. Frankly, I think that those who would like to take an aberration to make a case are harboring pre-existing biases.
All the love shown brother Romans, Bishop Mahony, Kennedy, Pelosi, even Guiliani, on this site shows that division is a major problem within that church.
Again, politicians and the few bishops that qualify are a very, very tiny segment of the Catholic population. Catholic politicians who espouse opinions contrary to Catholicism have demonstrated that their true faith is in government, and not in God or His Church. Let's face it. An orthodox Catholic is virtually unelectable in this country, and if their true values become known, they will be drummed out of office, like Santorum or Bob Dornan. But it is also unfair in some respects, because their Proddy counterparts aren't as accountable. It is far more difficult to pin the hypocrisy label on or conjure up some kind of fear campaign against your average born again pol, because there is no codified belief system in which they are required to attest. For every CINO, Kerrey, there is a devout man of faith named Hilary or Barrack that gets a pass.
>Again, politicians and the few bishops that qualify are a very, very tiny segment of the Catholic population. Catholic politicians who espouse opinions contrary to Catholicism have demonstrated that their true faith is in government, and not in God or His Church.
And as a reoccurring theme that I always have to bring up, why is it that 40-60% of all Roman Catholics continue to support Kennedy and his ilk? Is it because 40-60% are just voting for them due to their Catholic-ness, as false as it is? Why is it they are allowed to continue to join the Mass. Their support for abomination is as bad as a bunch of face-painted openly practicing homosexuals. Actually worse, as the homosexuals are open with their hypocrisy.
At least with all the different Protestant denominations, we can truly claim that the abominable abortion supporters are not under OUR authority to discipline, rather it points out those denominations which are corrupted by the world and its teachings, but the Roman church has no such out.
As long as they are partaking of the Roman sacraments, they are allowed to taint the whole ecumenical community with their worship of choice over life. The Pope can make all the noises he wants about people excommunicating themselves, but as long as they are welcomed into the church, that excommunication is just noise, signifying nothing but a political response to a serious problem.
>One small problem my friend. It is called “Ipso Facto Excommunication”. Just because those mentioned in your post call themselves “Catholic” doesn’t mean they actually ARE any more than me calling myself a “donut” makes me one. Capish? The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church still IS.
See post 12 in regards to self excommunication. (Forgot to cc you...)
During the Reformation, there was a huge split in the Church but it was only after the Council of Trent, when the Church took a definite stand that people began to be booted out with regularity. This is why it was called the Catholic or Counterreformation. Melancthon and many of the Protestants had rather disingenuously called for a Council but that was to save their position in Germany because that was what the emperor wanted. The defeat of the Emperor pretty much ended an effort by the Protestants to engage the Church except on their terms. Besides, any council that included reformers would be not a simple divided between Catholics and Protestants but between a myriad of Protestant faction and even several Catholic factions. Think of the United Nations: a bedlam of theological voices even if all spoke Latin. So the Council dragged on for years finally being dominated by Catholic reformers akin in spirit to Thomas More in his last years.
Actually, the facts are on my side that Roman Catholicism is as splintered as it comes and is NOT the one, big agreeable monolith it purports itself to be.
Just as the Old Catholics, SSPXers, Trads, Sedevacantists and other groups.
Where does it purport itself to be one big agreeable monolith?
Just as the Old Catholics, SSPXers, Trads, Sedevacantists and other groups.
Groups that reject the teachings of the Church, like the ones you list, are no longer considered members of that Church. They may claim to be Catholics, they may even hold identical beliefs and have the same rituals, but their inability to remain united to the successors of the apostles mocks that claim.
Rome has perverted the teaching of Christ and the Apostles.
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Well..., as of this moment, the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are on Double Secret Excommunication!
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