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To: MHGinTN; Alex Murphy; NYer; stuartcr; ichabod1

**Never seen the ‘steering wheel’ diagram before. I like it!**

Shouldn’t there be a ‘steering wheel’ with one spoke shorter and weaker for a short time when the equally powerful Son (according to the ‘trinity’) cried out to the Father for strength while in the garden. Or......

Maybe there should be a diagram with one spoke entirely missing for three days and three nights, as the Son died and later arose. Was part of God dead for that time? Or......

Maybe there needs to be a ‘seven spoke wheel’ since the Word speaks of the seven spirits of God.

Who was the Father of Jesus Christ? The Father or the Holy Ghost? Did God have two fathers?

It is simple. You desire a picture of God? Try starting with a blank sheet of paper. Nothing on it, nothing visible? God is a Spirit. There you have it. No man hath seen God.

But God is good, and has appeared USING visible images (Heb. 1:1). The Father was in Christ doing the works, telling him what to say; leaving the son so he COULD die on the cross. “Him hath God raised up..”, and “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of ALL THINGS....”. The fullness of the Godhead is found bodily in Jesus Christ. That’s why when someone calls on the name of Jesus, they ARE talking to the Father.

How many Spirits of God does a born again believer have in him/her? Jesus Christ said he would dwell in believers; physically, no, of course not, but Spiritually, yes. The Spirit of Christ IS the Holy Ghost. It’s the Spirit that left the Son while he was on the cross, and then raised him from the dead.

Jesus made it clear that God is a Spirit, and God gave not the Spirit by measure unto the Christ. But he cannot give all of his Spirit to us. We can’t HOLD it all.

Diagrams.......icons......that carnally attempt to portray the Godhead; reminds me of Jeroboam resorting to making golden calves to give the people of the ten tribes something religious to LOOK at.

It wasn’t a long period after the death of David that Solomon began down his slippery slope, which was increased by his son Rehoboam. Jeroboam was given ten tribes and anointed by God to correct this rebellion. He instead committed an even worse sin, building images to God; and images that were not at all representative of the Godhead.

It wasn’t long after the church was born that false doctrine was taught, and has led many a ‘ten tribes’ away from truth. Satan indeed has transformed himself into an angel of light.

Enough for now, and may the Lord bless them that love him.


58 posted on 10/20/2007 8:53:52 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Zuriel; MHGinTN; Alex Murphy; stuartcr; ichabod1
It wasn’t long after the church was born that false doctrine was taught, and has led many a ‘ten tribes’ away from truth. Satan indeed has transformed himself into an angel of light.

What a nice way to begin Sunday morning by calling our Lord, Jesus Christ, a liar. Matthew 16:18.

59 posted on 10/21/2007 6:12:48 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: Zuriel; NYer; ELS; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; betty boop; Elsie; Revelation 911; xzins; ...
As a writer, I enjoy analogies and analogizing. I had never seen the wheel diagram and found it something that could be useful, just as my analogy to the three expressions of dimension space has been useful in conceptualizing that which is a mystery we will not know the full of on this side of the veil/vail.

You say God is Spirit, and the scriptures agree with your assertion:

John 4:23&24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

God is also greater than Spirit, as the Creator of spirits and the realm in which they dwell and have meaning. Referring to my analogy of the expressions of dimension space, we could say God is the volume of the room, the walls of the room, and everything beyond the room, but He has chosen to create realms where certain 'limits' define the realm, anything in that realm, and the qualities of the inhabitants of that realm. Then He deigned to step into those realms with an amount, an aspect of His power and majesty.

Lifting from a portion of a current writing project, there is a realm mentioned in the Bible which is completely outside of your physical sensing, yet it is less than an arm's length away from you continuously. What defines the limits of that realm? Is it some aspect of dimension Time about which we do not yet have knowledge? Possibly; I address this in the piece I'm working on. The scriptures contain several hints to this realm, not the least of which is found in the fifth chapter of Daniel. In the resurrection accounts and visitations by the risen Christ, we have indication that Jesus left the tomb without the seal broken and the stone rolled away, and he appeared in a locked room without using a door or window.

If you desire to scoff, at least become more acquainted with the subject over which you seek importance for your scoffing.

67 posted on 10/21/2007 10:20:53 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Defend life support for others in the womb.)
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