Posted on 10/15/2007 4:56:51 PM PDT by wagglebee
My post was addressed to the article, not to you. The lapse in the reporting in this article is pretty bad. I appreciate that you didn’t change the title.
Thanks,
sitetest
ROFL!!!!
To which seminary do you refer as "pink palace"?
“His resignation, upon the event of his 75th birthday, was accepted immediately.”
Only if “immediately” is defined as “after 10 months.”
Which is a lot faster than Pope John Paul II had been accepting resignations from cardinals. However, my perception (could be wrong) is that Pope Benedict has been a little quicker in accepting resignations, generally.
sitetest
Thank you ... strike "immediately", replace with "very quickly" ... and yes, B16 is much quicker to replace retiring bishops than JPII was.
And that's precisely the problem.
What it comes down to is if you're born into a traditionally Catholic ethnic group you're "authentically Catholic" for life unless you go to the trouble to repudiate Catholicism for something else.
We need more litumus tests in our religions!
“The Catholic Church is for saints and sinners alone. For respectable people the Anglican Church will do.”
Oscar Wilde
sitetest
This is a correct statement of Catholic sacramental theology. One can then go on to be a very sinful, heretical, even apostate Catholic ... but the effect of the sacrament remains.
What it comes down to is if you're born into a traditionally Catholic ethnic group you're "authentically Catholic"
This is an incorrect statement of anything.
We need more litumus tests in our religions!
Concur ... a return to clear and uncompromised preaching and teaching would be wonderful. However much I may disagree with Orthodox Jews' theology, I greatly admire their dedication to what they believe.
Are you that ultra-liberal Catholic who used to hang out here and posed as a deacon till he got called on it?
Are you that ultra-liberal Catholic who used to hang out here and posed as a deacon till he got called on it?
They are not the same person at all.
Sorry for the double post. FR is acting crazy lately. Every other time I try to post I get a “temporarily unavailable” message.
Sorry for the double post. FR is acting crazy lately. Every other time I try to post I get a “temporarily unavailable” message.
What it comes down to is if you're born into a traditionally Catholic ethnic group you're "authentically Catholic"
This is an incorrect statement of anything.
It is incorrect theologically, but unfortunately spot on when it comes to American ethnic bloc politics.
Concur ... a return to clear and uncompromised preaching and teaching would be wonderful. However much I may disagree with Orthodox Jews' theology, I greatly admire their dedication to what they believe.
Jewish identity is even more abused. Halakhically Israel (Jews) are not an abstract group of people with identical beliefs but a nation with a special covenant with G-d. This means that anyone born to a Jewish mother is authentically Jewish regardless of what he does or does not believe (again, unless he converts to another religion). However, all Jews are objectively obligated by this covenent regardless of their personal beliefs, practices, or lack thereof.
This ethnic obscuration of religious belief has long since invaded chr*tianity, however, despite its being an abstract belief system rather than an ethnic group. Even in Fundamentalist Protestantism (which supposedly consists only of "adult converts") if you're from the rural Southeast or in the country music industry it's assumed that you were "born saved."
“So you’re saying that human imperfection is an excuse for bishops of the Catholic Church (”successors of the apostles”) to defend pro-abortion politicians as no worse than politicians who are against the welfare state?”
Nope. I didn’t say that at all.
I’d prefer if Catholic bishops bar pro-abortion politicians from reception of the Blessed Sacrament.
But they (the politicians) would still be Catholic. As ArrogantBustard notes, one may be a good Catholic or a bad Catholic, but unless one consciously intends to leave the Catholic Church, one is always a Catholic once having been received into her.
“Are you that ultra-liberal Catholic who used to hang out here and posed as a deacon till he got called on it?”
LOL! My friend sinkspur was hardly an “ultra-liberal” Catholic. In most circles, he’d have been considered a “moderate conservative.” Only in bizarro worlds similar to that of the FR Religion Forum would folks think him an "ultra-liberal."
As well, he actually was a Catholic deacon, however, he’d been laicized, as I understand it, and a laicized deacon should not present himself as a deacon. But he’d been ordained a transitional deacon, if I recall, and nothing undoes the ontological effect of Holy Orders.
sitetest
Your "friend" was a freaking hypocrite. He posed as a philo-Semite and never missed an opportunity to accuse more conservative Catholics of anti-Semitism (which is, unfortunately, often true, especially in ultra-traditionalist circles), but when I confronted him that his disrespect for the total inerrancy of the Hebrew Bible and his insistence that its only message was chr*stological was a form of theological anti-Semitism he turned his nose up. Liberals can't be anti-Semites, you know!
You sound rather liberal yourself.
“Your ‘friend’ was a freaking hypocrite.”
Perhaps. After all, the Catholic Church IS only for saints and sinners. So I know that both he and I qualified, as we both are in the latter group.
You respectable people always have the Anglican Church, you know. ;-)
“...but when I confronted him that his disrespect for the total inerrancy of the Hebrew Bible and his insistence that its only message was chr*stological was a form of theological anti-Semitism he turned his nose up.”
LOL. That nearly makes us all anti-Semites. Excuse me if I don’t accept your conclusions.
“You sound rather liberal yourself.”
Depends on who you ask, I guess.
Truthfully, the labels of “liberal” vs. “conservative” regarding Catholic theology are perhaps not the most appropriate. There is authoritative orthodox Catholic teaching. Then, there is what else there is.
I try to stay within the teaching of the Church.
sitetest
While we all have our “suspicions,” you’re going too far with this one. We should leave him enough slack that, in spite of his manifest evil in office and in life, we might still be inclined to pray for him. If he is actually saying such things as these quotes placed in his mouth, he certainly would be beyond our prayers.
In spite of the egregious nature of his many sins of omission and commission, may God have mercy on Card. Bernadin’s soul.
Certainly not an active deacon who gave the homily at last Sunday's Masses..........one of sinky's frequent refrains.
I made no claim to the contrary.
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