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To: marshmallow

I do believe that you believe it is not an “in your face.”

My point, though, is that a Thyatira-level church has no spiritual legitimacy, no moral standing, to its claim of superiority.

The facts on the table make the claim unsupportable on its face.


203 posted on 10/12/2007 7:14:21 AM PDT by xzins (If you will just agree to murder your children, we can win the presidency)
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To: xzins
Thyatira? That's a stretch.

Let's forget the word "Catholic" for the moment. Some church has to make a claim for truth, or Christianity becomes a nonsense, right? At least one Church must have preserved the whole truth intact.

So how do we determine which it is? The Church with the fewest sinners? The least scandals? That's a very shaky proposition. We're heading into murky waters here. As a billboard I saw yesterday said: "Church is hospital for sinners not a sanctuary for saints" (it was a Methodist Church, BTW). Aren't all our churches full of sinners?

Thyatira was an unrepentant Church. Obstinate in its sin. From where I sit, that adjective applies to certain groups in every church but not necessarily to the churches themselves. There are groups who want to change church teaching so as to remain comfortable in their sins. And in some cases they've succeeded. A good example would be the Episcopal Church and the homosexual issue. Now that is a Thyatira style Church.

Catholic teaching about the sinfulness of sodomy is clear and unchanging and we're trying to clean out the trash. Big difference.

204 posted on 10/12/2007 10:13:21 AM PDT by marshmallow
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