San Francisco Archbishop Responds After Caught on Video Giving Communion to Gay Men Dressed as Nuns

LifeSiteNews ^ | 10/10/07 | John-Henry Westen

[xzins]

It might surprise you, but I did not post this thread.

[xsmommy]

TOTALLY outrageous!

[Pyro7480]

We all have things in our denominations that need fixing, but if there’s something rotten in Denmark, brother, then you’ve gotta fix it. It’s just gotta be more important than blasting away at us protestants.

After these problems have been brewing over decades, you think they're going to be fixed overnight? Think again. The Church has always moved slowly and carefully. Sodomites and other degenerates have infiltrated her in the past, and men and women faithful have always risen to the occasion. But you would have none of that. It's always "we rest our case." The "Reformist" spirit has always been one of throwing the baby out with the dirty bathwater.

[xzins]

The bottom line: your denomination is no better than the rest. That’s what “we rest our case” means.

We “ecclesial communities” are on the outside looking in....right?

Well, I don’t like what I see in there. I’m just gonna keep on hanging out on this street corner.....Seems must safer & saner, if ya know what I mean. Inside there are Gay guys dressed up as nuns getting wafers from a gay guy dressed up in robes. Gimmeabreak!

[marshmallow]

Yer honor, we rest our case.

If only..........:-)

Would that it were true.

Somehow, I don't think Catholicism will be getting any rest from you guys while you can still fog a mirror.

[Pyro7480]

The bottom line: your denomination is no better than the rest. That’s what “we rest our case” means.

If you're judging by the people, you may have a case, since they're sinners in all places at all times.

But we are better in other senses, and I don't apologize for this truth.

[marshmallow]

The bottom line: your denomination is no better than the rest. That’s what “we rest our case” means.

Yes it is, but not because of the behavior of some of those who are supposed to be its princes.

It's true that there have been and still are some absolute rogues within the Catholic Church and we've often done an absolutely scandalous job of living the faith and setting good example. The Reformation is one result of this.

However, battered and bloodied as it is, it is still the Bride of Christ, possessing the fullness of truth and apostolic succession.

[marshmallow]

Ever seen a picture of what happened in Gethsemane? Neither have I. But it must look a little similar to what is in the two pics on the right.

We see a member of the apostles (or at least one of their successors) handing Jesus over to the mob to be led away and tortured.

[wmfights]

We all have things in our denominations that need fixing, but if there’s something rotten in Denmark, brother, then you’ve gotta fix it.

Do you believe they can reform their church? Historically, the only course for reformers has been to leave.

[magisterium]

And when that happy day comes when Rome completes the moral housecleaning that you insist upon (it is already underway, but has a long way to go yet, obviously), will that be all you require to get your nose off the window and knock on the door? Prolly not. You imply that there is some tipping point at which Rome achieves legitimacy in your eyes, but we all know, as yours is merely an opinion based on type, that there will always be something that forestalls your acceptance of the Catholic Church. That gives an illogical air to the constant protestations you make about being an "ecclesial community" as far as the Church is concerned. If the Church is so manifestly bad, why should you care about its definitions of communities outside of itself?

Satan is attacking the Church from within because he sees it as the primary institution in opposition to his self-perception as Prince of this world. He seems to be making much headway in his efforts to destroy the Church from within, but his time grows short. God is sovereign. Satan knows this, and is in the same process of flailing about as he is in individuals when he is about to be exorcised. His desperation shows. This fiasco is just one instance illustrating his desperation. When things change for the better - and they will, soon - what will be your "problem" with the Church then?

You will indeed always be "on the outside looking in." Unless you open your discernment to the whisperings of the Spirit, that is.

[HarleyD]

Oh, c’mon! You have consistent attitude to lack at the utter WORST in the Catholic faith...Get the plank out of your own eye first!

Is the Catholic Church in the "habit" of giving our Lord's grace to those who openly mock the church and then supporting those who lie about it? I think it's entirely fair to criticize this Archbishop. You should feel the same. Our Lord also said, "Those who are not for us are against us."

[Pyro7480]

Of course, it’s reformable. The real “Reformation” inside the Catholic Church was called the Counter-Reformation, which wasn’t just a reaction to the Protestant Revolution, but also a renewal.

[Romulus]

This thread is one high prelate’s grave sinfulness — not about opposition to the Catholic Church as a principle.

[Pyro7480]

Is the Catholic Church in the "habit" of giving our Lord's grace to those who openly mock the church and then supporting those who lie about it?

Of course, I support this group who exposed it. But your "support" has its own agenda behind it.

[xzins]

fog a mirror

Well, that'll be for eternity. :>)

[wmfights]

Of course, it’s reformable. The real “Reformation” inside the Catholic Church was called the Counter-Reformation,...

What changed as a result of the "Counter-Reformation".

[xzins]

You imply that there is some tipping point at which Rome achieves legitimacy in your eyes,

You either forget or don't know that I am the ecumenist in this mix. I believe in Christian unity with all my heart.

Jesus prayed, "Father, let them all be one..."

There will be a day when we get all this mess straightened out and we will all be one.

In the meantime, every true Christian everywhere through all time in all our various denominations comprises the holy universal Church.

[xzins]

Revelation 2-3 suggests it can be done in some....Ephesus, for example. The instruction to Thytira seemed to be that the Christians should hold on and that God would root out the heretics.

[magisterium]

Uh...you might notice that all of the identifiable Catholics on this thread are doing nothing except criticizing the archbishop! Criticism of the archbishop is not at issue. Xzins' implication, when he said "Yer honor, we rest our case," is that this scandal is both normative and sanctioned officially by the Church. That is utter nonsense, and Pyro took him up on it. Those who gleefully try to rub our noses in the dreck of this and other fiascos speak of their animus against Catholicism more eloquently with their demeanor than with anything they could actually say. Indeed, as you noted, "those who are not for us are against us." Thank you. You evidently think that the Catholic Church is so far removed from true Christianity that it is legitimate to cackle at current manifestations of its internal roilings. You should feel the same anger we do at these demonstrations from the Pit. That you don't is very sad indeed.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Somehow, I don't think Catholicism will be getting any rest from you guys while you can still fog a mirror.

God willing.

"Thou hast turned for me my mourning into dancing: thou hast put off my sackcloth, and girded me with gladness;

To the end that my glory may sing praise to thee, and not be silent. O LORD my God, I will give thanks unto thee for ever." -- Psalm 30:11-12

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