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To: Scotswife
The very fact that this link ascribes quotes from Hippolytus that were really from Noetus is telling. Hyppolytus was stating his case against Noetus & his views re: trinity.

Other than that, I see nothing definitive in those links re: the trinity.

Out of curiosity, perhaps you can give me your view of John 17:22-23. Seems those verses are far more in line w/ Hippolytus than w/ Noetus. BTW, how do those links match up against John 17:22-23 & the description of one?

Also, they say the apostles were replaced by bishops. originally, the apostles upon their deaths, were replaced by apostles. Who made the edict to replace them w/ bishops, man or God?

What makes me scratch my head is how so many can believe the edicts of the creeds that are directly contradicted or not mentioned at all in the bible, when those who came up w/ the creeds claimed absolutely no direct revelation. They fought over this things & in the case of the Nicene creed were threatened w/ exile if they didn’t agree. Does that really sound like a recipe for truth? Although I respect the opinions of others that are contrary to my views, I just don’t understand. Belief b/c of the traditions of man? Or belief b/c of revelation from the Lord? Personally I choose the latter. But, to each his own & I respect that.

635 posted on 10/16/2007 3:28:12 PM PDT by Reno232
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To: Reno232
The very fact that this link ascribes quotes from Hippolytus that were really from Noetus is telling. Hyppolytus was stating his case against Noetus & his views re: trinity.

In reality, you have it backwards. Noetus and his followers were Modalist heretics, which Hippolytus, the Trinitarian, was opposing.

640 posted on 10/16/2007 3:39:05 PM PDT by Missey_Lucy_Goosey
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To: Reno232

“The very fact that this link ascribes quotes from Hippolytus that were really from Noetus is telling. Hyppolytus was stating his case against Noetus & his views re: trinity.”

I will have to go back and re-examine that in more detail (I’ve got a fussy baby on my lap at the moment, so it may be awhile)

I merely posted the link because you inquired about his possible status as a heretic, so I thought a brief biography would clear up that question.

“Also, they say the apostles were replaced by bishops. originally, the apostles upon their deaths, were replaced by apostles. Who made the edict to replace them w/ bishops, man or God?”

The Apostles were also considered bishops as well as being considered priests.
When they founded churches and administered to that area, they were considered the bishop of that particular region (for ex: it is believed Peter was bishop of Antioch prior to becoming bishop of Rome)
John was an Apostle, but also the bishop of the church as Ephesus.
You can see the first act of succession in the book of Acts when a successor for the office of Judas was conducted.
You can read about the practice of succession in early writings.


647 posted on 10/16/2007 3:57:49 PM PDT by Scotswife
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