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To: dangus

“Seriously, folks, how can anyone defend inserting text into what is passed off as merely an alternate translation of existing texts?”

The JST doesn’t claim to be an alternate translation of existing texts, it claims to be a restoration of the original text received by revelation. You are being mislead about what the JST is.

“Even if I believed that Joseph Smith was directly commanded by angels to add this passage, how is not deceitful for this passage to be published without making clear that this passage did not exist in the traditional version of the scriptures?”

It is made clear in the introduction.


474 posted on 10/12/2007 2:07:54 PM PDT by Grig
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To: Grig
It is made clear in the introduction.

Moreover, the JST is not inserted into the text of our Bibles. I have on my desk a brand-new LDS edition of the Bible. It is the King James Version of the Bible; the text has not been changed. Excerpts from the JST appear in footnotes and in the Appendix.

476 posted on 10/12/2007 2:16:00 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: dangus

“The JST doesn’t claim to be an alternate translation of existing texts, it claims to be a restoration of the original text received by revelation.” Smith would have a made a good carnival act ... everything by revelation with zero substantiation of his claims. In upstate New York, when he used his peepstone to con farmers about ‘treasure buried on their lands’, he was prosecuted for it. And one is reminded of the Kinderhook plates. LOL


477 posted on 10/12/2007 2:21:50 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Defend life support for others in the womb.)
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To: Grig
“The JST doesn’t claim to be an alternate translation of existing texts, it claims to be a restoration of the original text received by revelation.” Then why does the LDS organization title it The Joseph Smith Translation? http://www.centerplace.org/hs/iv/default.htm ... Smith added to Revelations, too. What does it say about that in the Book of Revelations? ... Your prophet was a conman.
478 posted on 10/12/2007 2:26:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Defend life support for others in the womb.)
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To: Grig; dangus
Here's from an LDS approved site: [ http://scriptures.lds.org/en/jst/contents ]

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GUIDE TO THE SCRIPTURES
Joseph Smith Translation (JST)
A revision or translation of the King James Version of the Bible in English, which the Prophet Joseph Smith began in June 1830. He was commanded by God to make the translation and regarded it as part of his calling as a prophet.
Although Joseph completed most of the translation by July 1833, he continued until his death in 1844 to make modifications while preparing a manuscript for publication. Though he published some parts of the translation during his lifetime, it is possible that he would have made additional changes had he lived to publish the entire work. The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints published the first edition of Joseph Smith’s inspired translation in 1867. They have published several editions since that time.
The Prophet learned many things during the translation process.

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Riiiiight, he learned many things during the 'translation' (read fabrication" process. It's impossible for Mormonism adherents to accept that he made it all up because they've based their profession upon his lies. Satan counts on an embarrassment factor once he can suck you into the twister's version of the Christian religion, Mormonism. That is a darkness only God can penetrate. That's why some of us keep posting the Bible pasaages, God's real Word for you to read.

480 posted on 10/12/2007 2:42:52 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Defend life support for others in the womb.)
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To: Grig

>> The JST doesn’t claim to be an alternate translation of existing texts, it claims to be a restoration of the original text received by revelation. You are being mislead about what the JST is. <<

LSD itself claims to be a restoration, but the version of scripture claims to be an “inspired translation,” not a restoration.

>> It is made clear in the introduction. <<

The introduction makes clear that a restoration is involved, yes. But, given the absence of any reference to restoring missing verses to Genesis 50, that seems to refer to restoring a proper interpretation / translation, not to restoring missing verses to Genesis 50. This is particularly troubling, because the introduction broaches the topic by discussing the restoration of Matthew. It’s like walking into a bar, and surrendering your holstered pistol, but not the one in your socks: it gives the impression you’re disarming yourself, without actually doing so.

I actually did re-read the introduction, preface, etc., before commenting to see if I was missing something.


482 posted on 10/12/2007 2:48:54 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Grig
Just for reference, here are the changes Smith made to The Book of The Revelation:

Rev. 1: 1-8

John received a revelation from Jesus Christ and delivered it to the leaders over the seven churches in Asia. (compare Revelation 1: 1-8)

Rev. 2: 22

The wicked will be cast into hell. (compare Revelation 2: 22)

Rev. 2: 26-27


Rev. 5: 6

Twelve servants of God are sent to all the earth. (compare Revelation 5: 6)

Rev. 12: 1-17

The woman [the Church], the child [the kingdom of God], the rod of iron [the word of God], the dragon [Satan], and Michael are explained. The war in heaven is continued on the earth. (compare Revelation 12: 1-17; Doctrine and Covenants 77)

Rev. 19: 15, 21

God uses the word of Christ to smite the nations. (compare Revelation 19: 15, 21)

 

REVELATION 12: 1-17

The woman the Church, the child [the kingdom of God], the rod of iron [the word of God], the dragon [Satan], and Michael are explained. The war in heaven is continued on the earth. (compare Revelation 12: 1-17; Doctrine and Covenants 77)

1 And there appeared a great sign in heaven, in the likeness of things on the earth; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.

2 And the woman being with child, cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3 And she brought for a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up unto God and his throne.

4 And there appeared another sign in heaven; and behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman which was delivered, ready to devour her child after it was born.

5 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore years.

6 And there was war in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought against Michael;

7 And the dragon prevailed not against Michael, neither the child, nor the woman which was the church of God, who had been delivered of her pains, and brought forth the kingdom of our God and his Christ.

8 Neither was there place found in heaven for the great dragon, who was cast out; that old serpent called the devil, and also called Satan, which deceiveth the whole world; he was cast out into earth; and his angels were cast out with him.

9 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ;

10 For the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 For they have overcome him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; for they loved not their own lives, but kept the testimony even unto death. Therefore, rejoice O heavens, and ye that dwell in them.

12 And after these things I heard another voice saying, Woe to the inhabiters of the earth, yea, and they who dwell upon the islands of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

13 For when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 Therefore, to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might flee into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15 And the serpent casteth out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helpeth the woman, and the earth openeth her mouth, and swalloweth up the flood which the dragon casteth out of his mouth.

17 Therefore, the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

[Note the changed sequence of verses in the JST.]

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And here's the curse upon those adding to or taking away from that Book:,P> Revelations 22:18 For I testify to every one that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues written in this book.
22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from these things that are written in this book. {Douay Rheims Version}

484 posted on 10/12/2007 2:55:09 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Defend life support for others in the womb.)
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