Posted on 10/08/2007 7:49:32 AM PDT by colorcountry
Naw....they gotta hold a "Court of Love" before they excommunicate...that's what these posts are, can't you see the love?
It's SO evident in Posts 256,258,259 and 315...just wonder if anything "personal" can be found in any of these.
Let me get this straight. Are you saying that you have spoken out only against "some fables" in the Mormon Church? And if so, does that mean that some of the teachings or practices of the LDS Church are not fables in your mind?
For any Catholics that may be interested......
Former Mormon is the guest on “Journey Home” Monday.
On the Catholic network, EWTN. They have this 1 hour show about converts from other religions to Catholocism. 8:00pm eastern, and then repeated sometime the following Saturday night.
This week’s guest is Fr. Erik Richtsteig, the pastor of St. James Catholic Church in Ogden.
(Another untrustworthy, dishonest and disloyal ex-mormon alert)
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But this would be a very slim percentage. Most of us hang around to do battle man-to-man; High Noon style.
Actually, there are a dozen or so of you who's life mission is to denigrate and belittle our faith in Christ, but the rest are the occasional drive by.
And, as far as doing battle man to man, high noon style, that is precisely while you will see me less and less here, that and the fact that my life is very busy. The spirit of contention does none of us any good, I have played my part in it in the past, and I'm trying to cut back. It brings animosity, pride, pitting our own wisdom against the things of God, tearing each other down, thinking perhaps by tearing one another down, we can improve out position or make ourselves or our own interpretations more valid, etc. No one benefits from such battles, least of all the spirit of the Lord. I am trying to repent of such things. Yes, you can call that "works" All the best.
Quite right. There are teachings within Mormonism that contain truth. God is everywhere. I even believe some Mormons are saved by His Grace. < gasp>
Ex-communication and charges of heresy are reserved for those who misrepresent their claims as the teaching of the Catholic Church, usually from a position of authority (the priesthood, academia, or elected officials who claim to represent Catholics). The problem is that most Catholics who do not accept the Catholic church’s teachings usually try to assert that theirs are the true teachings of the Catholic Church, which creates further heresies of denying the authority of the magisterium, restorationism, etc.
Colorcountry is very clear that her beliefs are not those of the Mormon church, and so it’s hard to imagine that Colorcountry is a heretic. The Catholic Church would probably recommend that someone who held so many opinions contrary to the Church refrain from communion, but this is hardly excommunication; quite the contrary: the Church asserts that following such an obedience while still seeking faith is a blessed act.
I would, however, suggest that Colorcountry may be harming herself by having one foot in and one foot out of the Mormon church. I’d suggest that if she believes in Christ, she should seek out the truth, but if she remains in the comfort of cultural Mormonism, she may rob herself of the impetus to do so. A journey of spiritual exploration may help her to resolve any ambiguities in her own heart.
The proper term is "disciplinary council." And no, these threads are not a disciplinary council.
It's SO evident in Posts 256,258,259 and 315...just wonder if anything "personal" can be found in any of these.
I will appeal to the Religion Moderator on this one. I have no desire to attack colorcountry or any other FReeper. Normally, her membership status would not be an issue to me.
But she has repeatedly referred to the LDS Church and its members in the most disparaging terms, alleging (among other things) that we are part of "the Morg" or "the hive." She says that there is no freedom of thought in the Church, and that no differences of opinion are allowed. She hints that she has been mistreated by the Church for her views.
If all that were true, we should expect that the Church would have taken official action against her the moment she voiced her opinions. However, if she was allowed to remain a member for some time, or if she herself asked to have her name removed, then that fact would undercut her case.
If the Religion Moderator considers my posts to colorcountry to have been too personal, I will apologize and desist.
Faith in Jesus Christ and Obedience to His commandments (Works) are both required for salvation, neither is complete, without the other. Finally!
An answer we can sink our teeth into!
See my previous post...
And no one has even wanted to sink their teeth into these scriptures, instead they choose to eat their popcorn, and question my integrity about them. My advice would be to read the references about keeping the commandments, and look up the many others about repentance and changing our nature, instead of disregarding them because they don't like my methods of delivering so many short and to the point responses to the importance of keeping the commandments.
These are perilous times in which we live. As Proverbs says... Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people. (14:3)
In these last days, it's more important than ever to keep the commandments and prepare for the bridegroom with our lamps filled and our wicks trimmed.
All the best.
Thank you dangus, for your concern. The culture of Mormonism is interesting. There is an article here describing some of the conflicts that cultural members have. My mother is a Temple attending Mormon. My Brother is a Bishop. My FIL is the Stake High Priest leader. My MIL is Relief Society President. My husband is a true-believing Jack Mormon. It would be impossible to extricate myself entirely from Mormonism and the culture.
I HAVE extricated myself from belief. I've stated I attend other Churches. and I do attend a Christian congregation regularly. It is non-denominational. I attend Bible study once a week as well, and read the Bible daily. I am on a journey with my Savior. His feet lead my path. Do not worry about me or my salvation, dangus. It is securely in HIS hands.
My goodness, that is something.
Please point out some of the teachings in Mormonism that contain truth in your opnion. I would love to find something we can agree on.
>> Not so. No one expects you to believe the unsupported testimony of Joseph Smith or any other person. The real test is to study the doctrine and ask God if it is not true. If you do so will real intent, God will show you the truth. <<
Will he? What will he show us? How will we discern between him and the devils? Even if I worded it sloppily to Colorcountry, Catholicism makes no claim that “God will show you the truth.” The truth is there. God melts the human heart so that we can accept the truth, rather than let our own egos and desire for sin prevent us from fairly considering the evidence.
But what do you mean, “show you the truth?” You make it sound like anti-rationalism.
I’m gladdened to hear it. :^D May God guide you to the truth.
This might smug or triumphantalist in that context, so let me start a new context:
Have you ever attended the Catholic Church? Particularly one of the ancient rites (Byzantine, etc.) might be especially appealing.
I like jello! LOL
*The Bible (although I DO believe it was translated exactly as God wished)
*Family
Daily prayer (or more often)
*Service
*I believe in being Honest, true, chaste, benevolent and virtuous (although salvation is in no way dependant upon these things)
*The Word of Wisdom is good advice (although it in no way affects blessings)
Just to name a few.
I was being educated by a Catholic Freeper. He was banned for his anti-Mormon sentiment.
I was born and raised in a area with NO Catholic Churches (Panguitch, Utah). When I was in High School there was a circuit Priest who covered a 200 Mile radius each Sunday in order to administer sacraments.
My FIL was born an Hispanic Catholic (an converted to Mormonism when he was in his 30’s). I have attended family funerals in Catholic Churches, but they have been administered in Spanish.
My son is actually Catholic. He converted (in name only) when he married his wife. (She too is a Spanish speaking Catholic).
There is much I do not know about Catholicism. I have a tendency to reject it’s pomp and ceremony because it reminds me of the LDS rites. There is one thing I truly believe. We will be judged by what is in our hearts, period. God knows us, he knows our hearts and he knows if we belong to Him or not. There are no amounts of ceremonies or ordinances that will make this any different, and so I think I would fall outside mainstream Catholic belief. (I however, do not have any idea if this is so or not)
Well said. But let me just clarify why the pomp & ceremony is there, and hopefully it'll make a little more sense. We believe, as you might know, that Christ Jesus is physically, literally, and fully present in the Holy Sacrament of the Altar. All the pomp flows from that theological premise: we decorate our churches, vestments, and vessels because they are consecrated to the service of God, and because they literally contain God in a more real sense than even the Jewish Temple contained Him.
However, while the pomp is customary and natural, it isn't absolutely essential. A priest can say Mass on the back of a jeep in the middle of the battlefield, and the worth of the Sacrifice is not at all affected thereby.
That sounds very heartening. In Mormonism, the Temple ceremonies are vital to your exaltation. Without them, you will not receive exaltation and live in Celestial glory.
Adherance to specifications like a full 10% tithe, and abstaining from coffee, tea, alcohol and tobacco, Chruch attendance, and covenant keeping, are requirements of attending the Temple. So you can see exaltation is tied comletely with peforming works of the flesh. This precisely is what I stand against. Mormons believe salvation (eternal life) is given to everyone through the atonement of Christ....but to truly attain exaltation you MUST be a member of the LDS Church in good standing by adhering to all the dots and tittles (or have someone do your work by proxy after you are dead). This belief is entirely in opposition to everything Christ taught.
If these types of salvational rites in required ordinances, covenants or laws are not required by Catholic Church (be it Orthodox or Roman) then perhaps I should have a further look.
Your example of the train vs. vitriol would be more pertinent if there were actually a train coming. Opinion of a train coming is a lot different then a train actually coming. My problem w/ Colorcountry’s vitriol is that much is based on mis & disinformation. That has been well chronicled here on the FR. While I would always welcome a civil discussion w/ CC regarding her problems w/ the church, such a civil discussion of opinions is unlikely to be had. A shame really.
Care to post a link to this supposed “vitriol.” I don’t post hatred toward Mormons.
I do however, post in opposition to Mormonism’s teachings that actually take people away from Christ.
Jehovah's Witnesses say the same thing.
The fact is that key doctrines that define Christianity are not adhered to by Mormons (or Jehovah's Witnesses).
Mormons can call themselves Christians, I guess. After all, the splinter groups that still practice polygamy (including forcibly marrying off 14 year old girls to their cousins) call themselves Mormons. People can call themselves whatever they want.
Then, in my opinion, you will not be doing these in the future; right?
Representation of historical data, court records and other people's experinces are NOT attacks.
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