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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Mary as co-redeemer

Not surprising, you're continuing to bring this up, when it is a misrepresentation, and, more importantly, the title of "Co-Redemptrix" ISN'T EVEN CATHOLIC DOGMA!

88 posted on 10/09/2007 10:54:51 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; 1000 silverlings; Quix; irishtenor; suzyjaruki; ...
the title of "Co-Redemptrix" ISN'T EVEN CATHOLIC DOGMA!

Close enough.

Do you honestly think God is fooled by the syntax or grammar or spelling of however you care to wrap up this foul error?

Padre Pio and the Mother Co-redemptrix(FR CATHOLIC CAUCUS)

The words "dear Coredemptrix" express most exactly soteriological value of the Blessed Virgin Mary’s maternal mission in the tones of a pure theologia cordis. She coredeemed humanity by offering the divine Victim, her Son Jesus, in the bloody immolation of the Cross, and co-immolating herself with Him in order to "restore supernatural life to souls" (LG 61), became in this way our "Mother in the order of grace" (LG 1.c.) (18). She "gave birth to us in sorrows," affirms St. Pio. She is, therefore, the Mother Coredemptrix. She desires to raise her children and, what is more, to make them grow even unto the stature of Christ. She is, therefore, the Mother Mediatrix and Dispensatrix of all graces (19), always "associated with Jesus in applying the fruits of the Redemption to souls," as Fr. Melchior da Pobladura writes (20). The Coredemptrix reacquired the grace lost. The Mediatrix distributes the grace reacquired. There is an operative continuity between the Coredemption and Distribution of saving grace. And, according to the teaching of St. Pio of Pietrelcina, we should be eternally grateful to "our dear Coredemptrix" and to our "Mediatrix and Dispensatrix of all graces."

"Dispensatrix of all graces."

Let that sink in -- Mary dispenses all Grace.

Blasphemy and lies. Repent of it.

90 posted on 10/09/2007 11:10:03 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Pyro7480; Dr. Eckleburg
the title of "Co-Redemptrix" ISN'T EVEN CATHOLIC DOGMA!

What about the Sabbatine Privilege?? That's that Catholic Dogma, isn't it??? How is that any different from being a co-Redemptrix???

97 posted on 10/09/2007 11:43:29 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Pyro7480
the title of "Co-Redemptrix" ISN'T EVEN CATHOLIC DOGMA!

Give it a little bit of time. From Catholic Online:

"There’s another well-known Catholic who also calls the Mother of Jesus the Co-redemptrix: His name is Pope John Paul II. He has done so on six occasions during his post Vatican II pontificate."

So, was John Paul II speaking ex cathedra or was he speaking as a fallible human being? Was his well-known devotion to Mary a signal on the direction that the RC church would ultimately take or was it heresy? If the RC church decides to reject the notion of Mary as co-redemptrix, then you have the problem of one of the most popular popes in history being a heretic.

By the way, I admired Pope John Paul II greatly for many reasons but found his extreme devotion to Mary quite frightening. The Bible, which is supposedly one of the three legs of the footstool that is the RC church, is most explicit that our worship, prayers, and devotion belong only to the triune God and not to any other.

The apostle John records this caution about bowing down to or giving more credit to angels (or anyone) than is due: "And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, 'See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant...'" (Revelation 19:10, see also Revelation 22:8-9). I think that if someone with a devotion to Mary actually met her, she would tell them the same thing.


112 posted on 10/09/2007 12:46:40 PM PDT by DallasMike
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