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When I read this article, it was like a thunderclap striking me. I knew I had to really pay close attention to the evidence. What evidence? Well, this is known as the gebirah. The gebirah is the Hebrew term for the Queen Mother. I found in another book, The Graphic History of the Jewish Heritage, that the gebirah, the Queen Mother "occupied a unique and powerful position" throughout the history of ancient Israel's monarchy. He gives as an example Bathsheba, Solomon's mother, who was enthroned, which we will look at in just a moment.

This is supposed to be a POSITIVE affirmation in FAVOR of the QUEEN MOTHER SCHTICK? Where in Scripture is any HINT of such a QUEEN MOTHER being a GODLY, POSITIVE INFLUENCE. Perhaps I'm forgetting such an example.

The only ones I can imagine/faintly "remember?" are very negative ones.

v For the author to put forward such a NEGATIVE bit of evidence to SUPPORT a positive view of THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN is absolutely mind bogglingly PREPOSTEROUS.

I KI 15:3 Maachah, his mother, even her he removed from being queen because she had made an idol in a grove; and Asa destroyed her idol and burned it by the brook Kidron.

From Jer 7:18 "Ashtoreth--an idol of the Philitines--probably identical with the "QUEEN OF HEAVEN" . . . has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to reccommend the QUEEN OF HEAVEN to truly God fearing, God loving people.

NAVE'S TOPICAL INDEX EXAMPLE OF SUPERSTITION ON THE PART OF THE ISRAELIS:
The Jews attributed their calamities to having ceased offering sacrifices to the QUEEN OF HEAVEN. Jer 44:17-19

It continues to boggle my mind that anyone would grasp so VAINLY at the SMELL of straws to support ANY NOTION of a POSITIVE QUEEN OF HEAVEN when the whole counsel of quite a number of Scriptures is VERY FIERCELY HOSTILE to such a DEMONICALLY PAGAN idea.

JEREMIAH:
20-23Then Jeremiah spoke up, confronting the men and the women, all the people who had answered so insolently. He said, “The sacrifices that you and your parents, your kings, your government officials, and the common people of the land offered up in the cities of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem—don’t you think God noticed? He noticed, all right. And he got fed up. Finally, he couldn’t take your evil behavior and your disgusting acts any longer. Your land became a wasteland, a death valley, a horror story, a ghost town. And it continues to be just that. This doom has come upon you because you kept offering all those sacrifices, and you sinned against God! You refused to listen to him, wouldn’t live the way he directed, ignored the covenant conditions.”

JEREMIAH:
24-25Jeremiah kept going, but now zeroed in on the women: “Listen, all you who are from Judah and living in Egypt—please, listen to God’s Word. God-of-the-Angel-Armies, the God of Israel, says: ‘You women! You said it and then you did it. You said, “We’re going to keep the vows we made to sacrifice to the Queen of Heaven and pour out offerings to her, and nobody’s going to stop us!”’

25-27”Well, go ahead. Keep your vows. Do it up big. But also listen to what God has to say about it, all you who are from Judah but live in Egypt: ‘I swear by my great name, backed by everything I am—this is God speaking!—that never again shall my name be used in vows, such as “As sure as the Master, God, lives!” by anyone in the whole country of Egypt. I’ve targeted each one of you for doom. The good is gone for good.

27-28”’All the Judeans in Egypt will die off by massacre or starvation until they’re wiped out. The few who get out of Egypt alive and back to Judah will be very few, hardly worth counting. Then that ragtag bunch that left Judah to live in Egypt will know who had the last word.

For the author to put forward such a NEGATIVE bit of evidence to SUPPORT a positive view of THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN is absolutely mind bogglingly PREPOSTEROUS.

AMEN!

This thread is just that -- preposterous. For men to make a queen of Mary is obscene. We fought a revolution against the very idea of a monarchy, yet men are trying to bring it back and indenture themselves to a queen Mary and a king pope!?!

God forbid.

Catholics underestimate how much articles like this are like nails on a blackboard to Protestants who view this elevation of Mary as outright idolatry, worshiping the creature instead of the Creator.

There's no difference between falling down in front of a statue of Mary than there is falling down in front of Isis.

If it is not Jesus Christ men kneel to, then it is pagan.

"For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you." -- 1 Peter 1:24-25

The title of this thread is so off base that the thread isn’t getting any action at all. Even the Marians have nothing to work with from the material posted and are rather silent.

Amazing... Nothing scriptural...You could switch Mary’s name for the Goddess Diana and it would make far more sense...

They’ve made a pagan Goddess out of the Mother of Jesus Christ...

We can’t have a Queen of Heaven...The only Queen of Heaven will be the Bride of the King...

They’re following this Scott Hahn like he is the Pied Piper...